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Possible terror attack in Boulder

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by docspor, Jun 1, 2025 at 7:36 PM.

  1. ETGator1

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    Intifada is active and real in the USA:

    After Boulder's Firebombing of Pro-Israel Event, the Intifada Is Here

    It’s clear it’s an antisemitic terror attack, which the FBI knows, but the Boulder Police are refusing to acknowledge it as such out of political correctness concerns. Yesterday was the culmination of the nationwide takeover of college campuses by those who share Soliman’s views. When you chant ‘globalize the Intifada,’ they want this. It’s why it’s not free speech, and the FBI must investigate every student engaged in such antics.

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    So, in a period of less than 2 months, individuals openly claiming to be motivated by the “free Palestine” movement have:

    - Tried to burn down the home of the Jewish Pennsylvania Governor with his family inside.

    - Executed a couple leaving a Jewish Museum in DC

    - Thrown Molotov cocktails at elderly Jewish people advocating to free hostages in Colorado. The intifada is already here. The people who tried to downplay this threat should be ashamed.

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  3. wgbgator

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    Just one example:

    https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/elliot-rodger-mens-rights-activists/


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  4. ETGator1

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    Better than your lamestream media which appeals to drunken sailors on Saturday night shore leave.
     
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  5. BLING

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    That is sort of true, as once something reaches the level of “terror”, it means they did some serious criminal violence (like mass injuries or multiple killed). In practice it probably mostly just means the feds get jurisdiction. That makes sense in a case like this. Maybe not so much federalizing people who might have keyed a couple of parked Teslas.

    I think “hate crime” is a lower bar. Like… every terror attack is ALSO obviously a hate crime. But hate crime can be considered for non-violent crimes such as harassment or targeted vandalism (spraypainted swastikas, nooses, or whatever).
     
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  6. wgbgator

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    You can get the feds involved with a civil rights violation, which is pretty clear here. At least in this case, I think they want to call it (and almost anything related to Israel/Palestine) terrorism to continue to justify (and possibly expand) emergency powers for the executive to suppress civil rights of other people.
     
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  7. mdgator05

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    I don't think the distinction should be organization per se (as you mention, there is organized crime which is not really terrorism like the Mafia-hitman example) but rather the intent of the crime. If the intent of a violent crime is to impact politics, that is terrorism. If the intent is to kill somebody due to their membership in a racial, ethnic, gender, religious, sexual orientation, or other group, most of which (exception being religion) are immutable, that is a hate crime. If the intent is to steal something or profit or simply to harm an individual because you don't like them or you randomly decided to hurt somebody for fun, that is standard crime. Intent is often hard, but, in this case, is made pretty easily political by what he was screaming.

    Now, of course, this raises a lot of difficult issues, separately, about rebellion and state violence, but I generally think that is the distinction rather than organization.
     
  8. BLING

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    This seems to be your fantasy.
     
  9. wgbgator

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    I like how its presented as some kind of hypothetical, when its been open season on commies here as long as anyone can remember
     
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  10. BLING

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    You understood my point correctly.

    It was poorly worded on my part, I used “organization” in two different contexts which was surely confusing. I edited it to make it clearer, not that it matters with some of these people.
     
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    Rent-free, lol.
     
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    Give it a post or two...oh wait ncgatr1 or whoever it is, already alluded to it. So it really didn't take long. I am not upset at all. Really a heartfelt thanks for being able to divine my moods and probably voting record too. Maybe you can take a side job?
     
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    They won't, it's another undefendable hill they choose to do a mental gymnastics circle jerk on and die. Like I said, if that was Cletus firebombing a peaceful protest, the outrage would be deafening.
     
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    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that while federal law defines "domestic terrorism" in 18 U.S.C. § 2331(5), that statute does not establish domestic terrorism as a standalone federal crime. From what I can tell, for example, the Neo Nazi in Charlottesville (who killed one woman and injured others) was federally charged with hate crimes; I do not see any charges of "terrorism" or "domestic terrorism" on his Indictment.
     
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    So your saying that Dems are against the death penalty? I find that funny since they fight so hard for abortion rights. Some things are just beyond understanding.
     
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  17. mrhansduck

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    With respect to the Boulder attack, the Indictment was filed yesterday. He has been charged with Federal hate crimes; I do not see any "terrorism" Counts.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/media/1402301/dl?inline=&utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery

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    6. Under 18 U.S.C. § 249(a)(1), it is a felony when “whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, a dangerous weapon, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin of any person.”

    7. Under 18 U.S.C. § 249(a)(2), it is a felony when “whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, a dangerous weapon, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability,” in any circumstances in which, “in connection with the conduct. . ., the defendant employs a firearm, dangerous weapon, explosive or incendiary device, or other weapon that has traveled in interstate or foreign commerce.”
     
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  18. 92gator

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    Fact!
     
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    Right wing circle jerk in this thread. Violence under Trump is escalating just like it did the last time he ran things. Just a reminder: funded Saudi nationalists killed 3,000 Americans by burning them alive and crushing them under rubble and our GOP Presidents high five and hug them regularly. This particular evil criminal act of a lone rando doesnt mean we need to shoot immigrants on sight and deport everyone who ever said they dont like seeing Palestinians die like you guys want to though. Nuance is lost on this bunch.
     
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  20. citygator

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    The more I read about the attack it is utterly heart breaking. Some heroic human decency displayed to care and save the worst of the victims. I can barely read the story without choking up.
     
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