In the past I’ve seen estimates something 10-15% of climate change is either Amazon deforestation or deforestation in general. Whether that is the bigges thing or not depends on the granularity of other factors comparing it to. It’s my understanding that we are approaching the point where the Amazon is a net sink to a net emitter due to warming causing more burning. I recall hearing something like that but I’m not going to assert that as fact.
I already explained it.. I have doubts about anything that has financial gain for either side pushing it.
That’s a bizarre statement. So you are skeptical of capitalism. Go figure. That’s a weak response BTW. Usually “I already explained it” means it isn’t a strong enough argument to be subjected to further scrutiny.
Not sure what are you trying to argue about? I believe in climate change. I think we have an impact. I think people with skin in the game have reason to embellish how much of an impact. I think others with skin in the game have reason to downplay it. The End
So basically since climate has changed prior to man, man can’t change climate? Ok so since forest fires existed before man, man can’t cause forest fires? Since pollution existed before man, man can’t cause pollution? We could set off a bunch of nukes and cause a nuclear winter, but 150 years of industrialization and resulting pollution causes 1.5 degrees of warning? IMPOSSIBLE!! Where do you get your information? This is emphatically false. Climate modeling has been fairly accurate, and even Exxon climate scientists in the 80s (or thereabouts) ended up with very accurate models. The results - warmer temperatures, sea level rise, melting polar ice, is all happening as predicted. It is quite simple - CO2 (and methane ) are greenhouse gases and cause warming. This is an established fact. The CO2 levels have increased rather dramatically over a course of 150 years, to levels not seen in tens of thousands of years. It can be easily demonstrated that CO2 increase is mostly or entirely man made. Ignoring recent climate change, greenhouse gases were already said to warm the Earth something like 60 degrees, which makes earth inhabitable. But CO2 increases of 50% over 150 years can’t / won’t cause a 1.5 degree increase ? Given all that it seems not only plausible, it’s likely that recent climate change has been caused by man. Of all other known potential causes of global warming (such as levels of sunlight ) none can explain the recent warming. So while it is difficult to absolutely prove causality, given the relationships it’s the most obvious likely causality. To still be skeptical of this is not based on science or data, but can only be explained by an alternative belief system.
. I’ve heard this skepticism argument before about so called motivation to embellish and advocate “climate alarmism”. But actually the opposite is likely true. Scientists are generally a conservative lot (not politically, but professionally ) and advocating extreme positions is not a safe thing to do. Deviating from the status auonis risky. It’s much safer to argue for incrementalism. If they predict 2 degrees of warming and it is only 1 they are wrong! If they predicted 1 degree and it was 2 degrees, they were right! They have been arguing for a base case of 1.5 degrees C by the end of the century. Here in 2025 we are now at 1.4 degrees C. The current trajectory is on a path closer to a worst case than the base case. We are on the verge of irreversible polar ice melts, and permafrost is melting which will release shit tons of methane into the climate that has been trapped for thousands of years. When you look at the above, the current heat waves, fires all over the place and slow but steady sea level rise, I’m not sure how you can use “embellish” with any level of reasonableness.
Your response to my post made me laugh. I was responding TNC. Of course we can alter or change the climate. It will also continue to change naturally like it has for thousands of years.
Climate Change is like a religion in that it literally has a rote answer for everything including global warming to blame for the heavy snow in Florida this past Winter.
Global climate experts predicted wider extremes in weather, so yes, you might be able to thank global warming for that. But go ahead, and stay uneducated on the topic.
The glacier collapse that started this thread could well be one more dead canary in the coal mine. So far sea level rise has been primarily due to the relatively slow melt of the land based snow and ice and thermal expansion of the water in the ocean. But many fear a similar "collapse" of the Thwaites glacier similar to this that could potentially raise sea levels by a couple feet almost over night. ‘Doomsday’ Glacier Is Set to Melt Faster Of course if such an event were to happen, Pubs would blame it on the Dems as some kind of conspiracy theory.
Take several ice cubes, put them on a plate that drains into an already full glass. Now what happens when the ice melts? That is the issue, we all know melting sea ice doesn't raise sea levels, it is the land based ice and snow that we are concerned about. Greenland has enough land based ice and snow to raise sea levels something like 20 feet if it were to all melt. Antarctica has enough to raise sea levels over 200 feet.
