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(SB) Ongoing UF Softball Commentary

Discussion in 'GatorGrowl's Diamond Gators' started by ocalaman, Feb 20, 2022.

  1. alysb21

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    Walsh was perfectly fine defensively. Mia is not a 3b. If anyone was the issue it was ss. That’s why tag outs didn’t happen not Mia. Y’all have loved to attack Mia since last year. Yes she’s not perfect but who do you have to replace her? Nobody. Obviously Comia couldn't beat her at 2b either or she would’ve dpd. Obviously she had the lowest fielding percentage. Rylee Holtorf was there with her. And there were a lot of Holtorf ones that were not called errors that should’ve been. I also didn’t say squared up balls were her problem. I said that defense has become more difficult because of offense, Mia’s range is average. It’s not spectacular, but it’s not horrible either, do you watch other 2b all the time? There are many average second base players. A lot of the time it is ss that doesn’t have the range or arm for ss at this level so they’re moved to second,
    Again, Mia improved this year, I don’t know why nobody can see that. You can’t expect perfection all the time, if you think you can recruit better or go coach better or play better go do it. I will say once again, there were issues as to why this team is at home now and it was not errors at 2b.
     
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  2. alysb21

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    As we speak Texas’s second base just made an error to cost a dp. Better move her somewhere different or replace her.
     
  3. sweatinwith6

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    It's actually really funny the 2B is getting ALL the action this inning
     
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  4. alysb21

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    It’s be really funny if it’s wasn’t for the fact I want OU to lose and that would’ve kept them off the board.
     
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  5. UFreak

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    Where did anyone say they expect perfection? Where did I say that we had someone on the current roster who is better at second?
    It's so silly when someone gets angry or frustrated like you appear to be getting in this thread on a message board. It's just a conversation, brother. No, I can't go recruit better, nor coach better, nor play better. Nor can you unless you are secretly CTW or player on the team, lol.
    And I didn't see one instance in which someone said second base errors were the reason we are home. Again, softball is a collective sport - unlike say singles tennis.
    If the goal is to get back to OKC and try to have a better showing, then you look at all the areas you can improve/upgrade. If you improve and upgrade areas where we fell short, then we'll have a shot once again. One of those spots is second base and that happens to be the one thing we are focusing on now. There are others.
     
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  6. ocalaman

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    Mia's fielding % was .938 this year, .944 her freshman year. You can call that improvement if you want, but the facts say otherwise.
     
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  7. alysb21

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    Statistically probably at msot 5 more errors. But that is becasue she put glove on more balls this year than last. Her range did improve. Last year there were many "hits" that she didnt get glove on that we all consider need to be caught. Therefore they were errors that didnt go down as errors. Her improvement this year led to her getting to many more balls then last year and some of them yes went down as errors. If you dont watch the difference between also year and this year you dont see that. And no im not saying you didnt watch. Im just saying if you dont pay attention to it you don't notice it. The amount of routine balls she screwed up this year were much less.
     
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  8. alysb21

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    You seem to really expect a lot from Mia when she has made improvements.
     
  9. UFreak

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    Enormous improvements at the plate. Incredible, in fact. Again, she is vital to this team's success and she's part of the reason we almost won 50 games this year.
    I did not see the improvements defensively from year 1 to year 2 that you are suggesting. And it's also not her fault. She's awesome! She's just playing out of position defensively.
     
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  10. ocalaman

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    Extra Innings Softball says Cahalan is a MIDDLE INFIELDER (that's SS & 2nd), but Patrick Murphy said she could play anywhere. She went to Alabama as a MI/UTL, and came to Florida never having played 3rd. Tim Walton recruited Cahalan and Holtorf as shortstops, hoping to land 1 of them. When he got both, one of them had to change positions and Cahalan was put at 3rd, where she had not played before. If you can find evidence that 3rd was her natural position before signing with Alabama, please provide the link, because I can't find it. This in-depth article about her recruitment says otherwise. Also, Skylar Wallace left Alabama in November 2020. Cahalan graduated early and joined Alabama softball in January 2023. Losing Skylar had nothing to do with Cahalan playing SS. There was a 2-season gap. She played SS at Bama because she was a MIDDLE INFIELDER.
    Big Reclassification: Kenleigh Cahalan –a Top 5 Infielder in the 2023 Extra Elite 100 - Cleared to Play for Alabama Softball Immediately - Extra Inning Softball
     
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  11. alysb21

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    I have evidence from conversations with people in the travel circuit and who were familiar with her high school days. Yes she can play anywhere. However, 3b is her natural position.
    And yes I misspoke it was Dowling that year that was playing ss because Prange was at 3b.

    Maybe those conversations and information I've been told isn't accurate who knows. But I've been told Kenleigh was a natural 3b and I belive it watching her there.
     
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  12. ocalaman

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    I remember conversations early in the year after Ariel Kowalweski left Florida that Cahalan was given a shot at 3rd, a position she'd never played before, because she was such a versatile player. And the Extra Inning Softball article I linked above says that during her sigh school and travel ball career she was a middle infielder, a Top 5 in the Elite 100 recruit. Here's a copy and paste from that article.

    T-5—Kenleigh Cahalan, MIF/UT, Birmingham Thunderbolts – Roberson
    Kenleigh is a 5-foot-8 middle infielder who plays with a lot of college talent not just for Jay Roberson and his outstanding 16U team, but also for her Hewitt-Trussville (Alabama) High team that includes seniors Jenna Lord (Alabama-bound), Crystal Maze (Troy), Anyce Harvey (Middle Tennessee State) and another 2023 Extra Elite 100 standout in infielder Hannah Dorsett. Kenleigh has won championships at both levels as well and does just about everything possible at an elite level. On the softball field is an excellent defender and dangerous triple threat hitter. She’s used to playing older levels of competition and playing at a high level too. Says Coach Roberson: “She can go wherever she wants, every major program in the country will offer her on September 1. I constantly get calls from every SEC school and all the top ranked DI schools.”
     
  13. alysb21

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    Ocala... im not trying to argue you with you. Im just telling you what I've been told. Kenleigh was already getting reps at 3b before AK left anyway. She is a very versatile player. She does not have great lateral range for ss though.
     
  14. ocalaman

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    Yes, she was getting reps at 3rd during fall and winter practices, probably because AK had told Tim she was leaving and because he never expected to get Cahalan AND Holtorf and needed to find a position for her to play since she's more versatile that Rylee. But she had never played 3rd before from everything I've read and remember being said about the team in pre-season practices and scrimmages. I'm 99% sue she played SS at Trussville HS and 100% sure she played SS and/or 2b on her travel ball teams. That's what her travel ball coach said and so did Extra Inning Softball in that article. She is very versatile and has worked hard at 3rd for Florida. She struggled defensively early in the season because of that inexperience and got better and better defensively as the season progressed. But IF CTW wanted to experiment with the infield, like I said way back in a post where I speculated possibilities, Layla Lamar could be given at shot at 3rd because that IS her primary position. Cahalan could go to SS, where she played at Alabama , high school and travel ball or she could be moved to 2nd so Comia or a transfer to play SS and Mia could possibly be moved to 1st. That probably won;t happen, though, because I agree with you that CTW is going to keep Mia at 2nd. But like I said, again way back, Mia needs to work on her defense and cut down on errors and the entire infield play has to be better if we expect to be an elite team. Defense is critical in winning titles and we were simply under par defensively this year.
     
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  15. alysb21

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    We are going to stay on different pages on this. But the good thing is it doesn't matter. I trust who told me that and I saw Kenleigh look very uncomfortable to begin with at ss at bama.

    This years over. Once we see who leaves and who we get in the portal we can figure out next years lineup.
     
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  16. candymanfromgc

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    WE have to get Lamars bat in the line up no matter what. Taylor, Mia, Lamar, Jocey and Brown will be the leading HR hitters next year IMVHO.
     
  17. rickjs1

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    Well, I read the last two pages and don't really have a dog in this hunt. Mia's defense does need to improve, wherever she lands, and I'll leave it at that. It is not unfair to compare her to Hannah although that she should or could match that excellence is unrealistic. BTW, someone mentioned that the Texas second baseman made an error today. Yes, that was her second error of the entire season. I'll take that yesterday, today and tomorrow. What I did feel in my bones, and has not been mentioned, was I felt that Mia has, to some extent, reverted back to last year....home runs or not much else. The entire month of May she hit .267. She had eight hits the entire month and four were home runs. She had eight rbis for the month so that averages (not the greatest of ways to look at it) about 32 for the season. She walked seven times but she struck out five. Her strikeout ratio to plate appearances was 7.4 which isn't very good. By comparison, I would like to see Taylor strike out a little less but her ratio for strike outs to plate appearances is about 12. I am not dumping on Mia. Far from it. Her improvement at the plate over last season was far, far, more than I ever expected. Just that I had a nagging feeling we were reverting to some extent to last year so I looked it up. All in all, I think we need to get off the Mia analysis train (strange thing to say with my above) and move on. She needs to find the proper home in the lineup. I'm not sure where that might be. But I hope it is somewhere.
     
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  18. alysb21

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    I do think you are right about that with her hitting.... it was more inconsistent as of late.
     
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  19. alysb21

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    Lamar has a lot of power but I think shes gotta get more consistent from what Tim has said.
     
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  20. rickjs1

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    I am not on or off Layla's bandwagon. I simply only saw scatterings of her travel days. She has a ton of power. Consistency from what I saw might be another issue. I don't recall ever seeing her playing third. Just first base. But, again, it wasn't many opportunities to see her play. I just don't know if she can play third at our level. Time will tell, I guess. We had a lock down player at third with years left in her career and we drove her off when it did not need to happen.
     
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