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Space X and Starship Fail Again

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ncargat1, May 28, 2025.

  1. 92gator

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    "A government of the bureaucrats, by the bureaucrats, for the bureaucrats..."

    /s/Chicom puppet party
     
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  2. G8tas

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    They have financial incentives to build rockets. They DO NOT have financial incentive to spend money on thought experiments which is where true innovation comes from
     
  3. CaptUSMCNole

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    What thought experiments do you think NASA was working on? Pretty sure they were focused on getting technology that could get us to the moon and back in their heyday.
     
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  4. vaxcardinal

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    well hold there a second...somewhere in this thread someone mentioned Sports Bras...i'm sure a lot of thought went into that as well with great results.
     
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  5. ncargat1

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    I know it is far too much to expect for people to understand the differences between federal research dollars being spent for the betterment of society vs funding a $Billionaire's pet project so that he can try to make $Billions more off result of tax payer funding. Not shocked as MAGA has become the organization of Oligarchs, criminals and grifters who defraud the tax payers all under the guise of exposing fraud.
    You do not seem to mind the MASSIVE subsidies handed over to the oil companies. If we are going to speak of subsidies, lets at least talk honestly. Cut off the tax payer subsidy-sucking oil companies and people like you will be BEGGING for solar and wind power to power your neighborhood.
     
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  6. G8tas

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    Earlier you wanted to know about recent changes but it seems like now you're asking about old events. If we're talking about old events than gravity assist is an easy one
     
  7. CaptUSMCNole

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    The point is that even JPL is contracting with SpaceX and other big defense contractors like Lockheed Martin on their NASA contracts. You keep acting like NASA and JPL are actually the ones building something when they are in fact dependent on the same companies you say are not developing anything innovative.

    Here is the article I mentioned that discusses why NASA should move on from building rockets to hiring them from private companies.
    Now is the time for NASA to blast into a new future
     
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  8. G8tas

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    You keep talking about building things. I don't care about rockets and I don't care about the moon. We've been there and done that. If NASA contracts out manufacturing work, cool
     
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  9. CaptUSMCNole

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    So you think NASA should be an innovation lab just doing thought experiments?
     
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  10. Tjgators

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    First off, DOGE made recommendations on cutting waste, fraud, and cleaning up our archaic systems. They did not make cuts. Those cuts come in the form of rescission packages that have to be passed by Congress. Why do you continually spew untruths?

    If you were intelligent, you would not be rooting against Elon and SpaceX or any space company he owns. Space is where we will get our energy from in the future. All of it. America needs to get there first. We cannot afford to have China winning that race. Right now, China is on the far side of the moon and has been for 2 years. Some speculate they are mining Helium-3. Helium-3, space solar, and nuclear are the future. Not your wasteful, dirty Earth solar panels and windmills that kill sea life and raptors. That is one of the things getting cut by the EPA. The Green New scam is over.

    And let's not forget that it was Elon who said he could reuse rockets without burning them up. He was laughed at by almost everyone. That has saved quite a few bucks. He asked to use new technology not owned by him to cool his launching area so as not to waste millions of gallons of water. The technology actually takes the water from the air for free, and is super friendly to our environment. Guess why he was unable to use this technology that was so friendly to our earth. The government didn't know how to tax this brilliant way to collect water. It's called red tape. Our society would be so much further advanced if our government weren't so corrupt and lacked the forward thinking that our entrepreneurs do.

    We landed on the moon in 1969. How has government space exploration advanced since then? Not much. It's brilliant American entrepreneurs that will help us combat this red tape and create the technology that will put us on top.

    NPR is about to be defunded. They are a bunch of losers.
     
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  11. G8tas

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    Thought experiments and innovation, yes
     
  12. ncargat1

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    For many years of the space program, NASA had engineers inside the subcontractor facilities and vice-a-versa. Yes, NASA never built many end products themselves, but they designed prototypes, engineered ideas and solutions and then handed them over to the people who understood manufacturing to mold the ideas and prototypes into something you could manufacture and would perform the expected tasks. When I worked at Oak Ridge National Lab and we processed the iridium shielding for the nuclear power source of the Cassinni-Huygens explorer, NASA engineers were present the entire time to ensure tolerances well within their fractions of mils were met at every step.

    Your point, that people retire, organizations change and culture is lost is true. However, in the case of NASA, that was not an organic transformation. It was a bi-product of political decisions. We, as a nation, decided that funding space research and development was NOT a priority. Further, we have decided as a nation that going forward we will pick winners and losers in the private sector, hand them obscene sums of tax dollars and then allow them to profit off of the research paid for by tax dollars without ever sharing the benefits of that research, and claim that it was some entrepreneurial genius BS. Which is really my whole point. NASA did aerospace research and development and shared that data with everyone from the military to the universities to private industry. Everyone benefited from NASA. Now, no one but Elon benefits from the tax dollars thrown at SpaceX.
     
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  13. ridgetop

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    President Barack Obama's administration proposed to defund NASA's human spaceflight program, specifically the Constellation program.This program aimed to return American astronauts to the moon by 2020. Obama's budget proposal in 2011 shifted funding towards supporting private sector commercial spacecraft development instead
     
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    So we could have had Tesla’s driving on the moon for several years now
     
  15. ncargat1

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    OK, so we all agree. However, the defunding of NASA started before Obama. Clinton also nixed money originally appropriated for NASA to use on domestic law enforcement militarization/improvements. Literally everyone, on both sides of the aisle agreed to stop funding NASA because no one had interests in space. Now, suddenly, the Chinese menace comes along and some highly disputed notion of limitless power from He-3 isotopes and the only one who can save us is Elon Musk?
     
  16. CaptUSMCNole

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    Wasn't it the fact we reached the moon, hit the goal, and the the Vietnam war and the Great Society focus ended up shrinking NASA's budget?
     
  17. ncargat1

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    So yes, we decided as a nation that it was not a priority any longer.
     
  18. Gatorrick22

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    Isn't that what they have become?