The Trump Administration tells Harvard it can no longer enroll foreign students

Many on the right mock Harvard (and higher education generally) for being a waste of time, especially given the modern curricula focused on gender studies and intersectional basket weaving. Now I'm reading that the education offered at Harvard is a valuable elixir - so powerful that we have to do everything possible to make sure non Americans cannot access it?

 

The arguments are never logically consistent. Perhaps, if they went to Harvard, they would be able to make logically consistent arguments. Alas...

 

Higher Education is most certainly big business. Harvard is a premium brand, so it doesn't need to advertise as much as others. But rest assured, the bean counters at UF loved every minute of the Basketball Team's National Championship run. You can't buy that kind of media coverage, reach, and positive PR.

For a school with a name like Harvard, or a huge state school with plenty of success both academically and athletically like Florida, survival isn't the issue. It's attracting the best and brightest, and it's getting more difficult. Less and less students are attending college straight out of high school. More are coming back in the 25 - 35 demographic, and these students likely have families, full time jobs, and other commitments, and are more likely to enroll in a Southern New Hampshire or Western Governors over Harvard and Florida. And schools that aren't Harvard or Florida, and don't serve the non-traditional student? They are closing at significant rates. Nearly 100 in 2024, and more expected in 2025.

And again, schools love the best and brightest from foreign countries. These students are generally cash payers who pay full price. They make it easier for schools to accept the best and brightest from the US and charge them less tuition. Many foreign students graduate and stay, and often go on to do great things. Again, about 1 in 5 new small businesses in the US are started by immigrants.

Those that return home often export a big piece of the US back with them. As stated, education is a big US export, and we aren't necessarily teaching our enemies. We're hopefully teaching future allies and friends in both business and democracy. It may or may not happen as hoped, but it 100% cannot happen if we don't allow students from foreign countries into the US for their education.

 

Almost sounds like a justification for Trump university

 

Although obviously just speculation since the records are confidential considering that Trump is obsessed with retribution it's very possible that his vendetta against Harvard is motivated by the school's rejection of Barron's application for admission.

 

No it doesn't. Trump U was a scam. Schools like WGU and SNHU are legitimate universities serving real students who more often than not, benefit from the education they receive. The only benefit Trump U "students" got was from the settlement monies.

 

Confirmation that if schools lose their share of international students, it will have a negative effect on their bottom line. From an article in Time:

Marginson says that elite universities like Harvard are likely to be more concerned about the impact on their ability to attract top global talent than on their endowments. But he adds that many other universities rely on international students, many of whom pay full tuition, to “generate a substantial part of revenue.”
“It imposes wild uncertainty on an international education sector that turns on reputation, hospitality, financial stability and reliable people management,” Marginson adds.
“It imposes wild uncertainty on an international education sector that turns on reputation, hospitality, financial stability and reliable people management,” Marginson adds.
“For a long time, U.S. higher education has been considered as a top destination by international students,” says Lili Yang, an associate professor specializing in higher education at the University of Hong Kong. “At the same time, U.S. higher education has benefited much from international students especially regarding financial stability and research.”
“For a long time, U.S. higher education has been considered as a top destination by international students,” says Lili Yang, an associate professor specializing in higher education at the University of Hong Kong. “At the same time, U.S. higher education has benefited much from international students especially regarding financial stability and research.”
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If Universities have less students paying full tuition, schools will have to make up that revenue somehow. And the easiest way to do this is raise tuition for all. Which effects all of us, since the majority of students take out student loans to pay for school. Many of these loans are government secured.

 

Couldn't the application and denial, if it exists, be used in court though? It shouldn't take a Harvard lawyer to get that in.

 

Just like their leader.

 

Or they can cut costs and get rid of a lot of the Administrators that are not teaching. Which is what I think a lot of this is about. The MAGA folks see college administrators as their enemy as they are at the heart of spreading the DEI theology. They think if you start cutting universities off from revenue sources, they are going to have to start firing these people.

I have two professors in my immediate family and I mentioned to one that I had seen this idea floated by MAGA folks. The blood drained from her face when she heard it.

 

Message received.

 

why not let in more out of state students or is that not an option?

 

Harvard is private. Probably not much if a tuition change, if any, between MA students and out of state. All US students are also eligible to fill out FASFA and get loans. Foreign born students are usually cash payers.

 

Yes but your comment was about universities and how they would need to increase tuition if they lose out on international students. Tuition for international students and out of state students is the same. Tuition rates don’t change based on whether or not the student is paying cash or getting a student loan.

 

You do understand that foreign students have to apply for something called a "student visa" long before they ever show to class, don't you? And guess where the student visa comes from? Some place called the U.S. government. Surprise!

 

Tuition rates don't change. But cash payers aren't denied loan funding for any reason. Nor do they ever have problems waiting for loan funds to appear in their account.

 

The Trump administration is adamant that there is no truth to the rumor that Donald Trump is targeting Harvard because Harvard rejected Barron Trump's application. The White House also denied that Barron Trump's application was filled out in crayon in Donald's handwriting.

I think we can all be grateful that Barron is going to the Stern School of Business. You really do not want a Trump going to the Loose School of Business, or the Frivolous School of Business, much less the Anything Goes School of Business.

Was Barron Trump Rejected From Harvard? The White House Says…

 

Sure Like everything else

 

Harvard is a Communist school with loyal Marxists running it, plain and simple.

 

I also have two professors in my immediate family, and while this may be what is actually going through MAGA’s mind, this approach is akin to getting your neighbor fired from his job in hopes that he will not have enough money this year to make that holiday eggnog that has too much milk in it. Psychotic.