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The Trump Administration tells Harvard it can no longer enroll foreign students

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by g8orbill, May 22, 2025.

  1. okeechobee

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    Would be kind of cool if he did. With heated golden seats, of course. Only the best.
     
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    I’ve seen pictures of 1 at Trump towers but haven’t seen any bathrooms of gold toilets anywhere else although perhaps there’s one in his future flying home
     
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    That's because the seats were covered in classified documents
     
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    Heated gold is a bad idea. It would get soft, melt, and deform, especially with a porker like Trump sitting on it.
     
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    Because you apparently hate the constitution, democracy and freedom in general.
     
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    Before there were so many regulations. This is description of an excerpt from Upton Sinclair's book "the Jungle" describing a time before there were regulations back when America was really great according to Trump.
    Sinclair splattered The Jungle with blood and guts as he chronicled the unsanitary conditions inside Chicago’s meatpacking plants. As readers turned the novel’s pages, their stomachs turned as well. Sinclair described walls painted with animal blood and plastered with flesh, rotten beef doctored with chemicals and dead rats and sawdust swept into sausage meat. Workers infected with tuberculosis coughed and spat blood onto floors and used open latrines next to processed meat.
    How Upton Sinclair’s 'The Jungle' Led to US Food Safety Reforms | HISTORY
     
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  7. gaterzfan

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    More good news for the bastion of intellect and integrity!!

    Star Harvard business professor stripped of tenure, fired for manipulating data in studies on dishonesty

    A renowned Harvard University professor was stripped of her tenure and fired after an investigation found she fabricated data on multiple studies focused on dishonesty.

    Francesca Gino, a celebrated behavioral scientist at Harvard Business School, was let go after the school’s top governing board determined she tweaked observations in four studies so that their findings boosted her hypotheses, GHB reported.

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    The star Ivy League professor — who had authored over 140 scholarly papers and snagged numerous awards — had come under scrutiny in 2023 when a trio of behavioral scientists published a series of blog posts on Data Colada with evidence accusing four of her papers published between 2012 and 2020 she had co-authored contained “fraudulent data.”

    A preliminary investigation into Gino’s work by Harvard was launched in October 2021, following concerns about a study she co-authored that claimed requiring individuals to sign an honesty pledge at the beginning of a form, rather than at the end, significantly boosts honest responses.
     
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  8. mikemcd810

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    Harvard got word that one of their professors may be using fraudulent data, investigated her on their own, then terminated her and stripped her tenure. Is this supposed to be evidence supporting Trump's dictatorial move to ban international students? This seems like the actions that a reputable institution would take.
     
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  9. thedonaldgod

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    I'm done with Harvard. Honestly, if it was me, I say shut Harvard and the Ivy's down. At this point they are a threat to national security.

    One thing no one has brought up in this thread, why can't these international students be replaced with U.S. students? Should the goal of higher education in the U.S. not be to primarily educate the U.S. population? Once again, as typical with liberals, America last. When did U.S. students become so unwanted by these schools?

    Another point to mention, these international students are GUESTS! The rules and expectations for guests are always going to be different than for people who live in the home. So just like you can always ask your guests to leave your home, at any time and for any reason, so can the U.S. These international students are guests, they do not have constitutional rights, those are for permanent residents and citizens!

    So you know what international students, you want to come here? Sit down, shut up, study and get your degree. That's all you should be doing while you are a GUEST of the U.S. You want to protest, protest in your own country and go to a school in your own country. International students do not get any right to protest here in the U.S. International students do not get any right to have any say in politics here in the U.S. The standards are and will always be different.

    Can you imagine the outrage if U.S. students studying abroad protested in those countries? Everything would be said from "typical arrogant American" to even being kicked out of the country. And yes, when you are a guest, there are rules the international students must follow as guests that permanent residents and citizens do not have to follow. That's the benefit of being a permanent resident and citizen.

    It needs to be made very clear to International Students. You are here to study and learn, and that is your primary focus. You do not get the right to challenge U.S. society or politics in any way. Shut up, study, get your degree and then either stay on a work visa or go back to your own country.

    Maybe U.S. college and universities need to remember that their primary goal is supposed to be to educate U.S. students. And how pathetic of some of you. Maybe some of these great companies can be founded by U.S. students and not International students. Maybe some of these great ideas can be cultivated by U.S. students, not international students. We need to stop educating our enemies. We need to stop education international students, who are most likely down the road going to use their education against the United States.
     
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  10. mikemcd810

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    I know I'm not going to change your mind but:

    • The vast majority of these international students have done absolutely nothing wrong (i.e. sitting down, shutting up, and studying as you recommended they do)
    • Educating foreign students helps to spread our nation's values back to their home countries
    • Expelling thousands of students for no reason is how you create enemies
     
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    You have to love the logical inconsistency of "educate American students first" from the same people that are mad at both how many Americans go to college (it should be less!) and claim that colleges are indoctrinating students (we need our people more indoctrinated!). If only there were institutions where people could learn things like logic and strategy.
     
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    Colleges like international students because they are generally cash payers, meaning they don't need or get money from the US government to cover tuition. International students also generally pay full, out of state tuition. And students that pay cash and full price helps keep prices down for everyone else.

    Immigrants also start about 20% of all businesses in the US, despite making up only about 14% of the population. Many of these businesses are started by students and/or graduates of colleges. And those that do return back home often thrive in large part due to their US education.
     
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    Thanks Biden. If you note the main investigation was in 2023.
     
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    Kind of surprised they came out and actually told Harvard that they could not enroll them, rather than just slow walking all the VISA applications, putting them in the back of the line, or just "misplacing" them.
     
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  16. VAg8r1

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    She was (very appropriately) fired and for context she is one faculty member out of a total academic staff of 16,000.
     
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    How's all. that immigration working out for Europe?

     
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    I don't know about Europe but immigration seems to have worked out well for the US.
    In 2023, four of the six U.S. recipients of Nobel Prizes in medicine, chemistry and physics came to America as immigrants. New research shows immigrants have contributed substantially to America in scientific fields, particularly in the past two decades.

    “Immigrants have been awarded 40%, or 45 of 112, of the Nobel Prizes won by Americans in chemistry, medicine and physics since 2000,” according to an analysis by the National Foundation for American Policy (NFAP). “Between 1901 and 2023, immigrants have been awarded 36%, or 115 of 319, of the Nobel Prizes won by Americans in chemistry, medicine and physics.”

    Immigrant Nobel Prize Winners Continue To Impress
    Immigrant Nobel Laureates
    And there is also this:
    Fortune 500 Companies with Immigrant Roots Generated More Money Than the GDP of Most Western Nations

    And let's not forget MAGA's second favorite person behind only the Dear Leader himself was an immigrant to the US from South Africa by way of Canada.

    New American Fortune 500 in 2024

    55% Of America’s Billion-Dollar Startups Have An Immigrant Founder - Foster Global

    Edit: Apparently immigration worked out well for the UK
    Immigrant Founders — The Entrepreneurs Network
    While under 15% of UK residents are foreign-born, 39% of the UK’s fastest-growing startups have at least one immigrant co-founder.
    Half Of UK's Fastest-Growing Businesses Have A Foreign-Born Founder

    Seems to have worked out well for Germany, too
    Opportunities for top talents
    One in five startups in Germany is founded by an entrepreneur with a migrant background. Eight interesting facts on this topic.
    … 20% of startup founders in Germany have a migrant background? One in five innovative high-growth companies is led by a founder with a migrant background.

    … 57% of migrant founders were first-generation immigrants to Germany? In other words, they have first-hand experience of migration and were not born in the country.

    … above all founders that were not born in Germany have an above-average education? 91% of them have a university degree, compared to a total of 84% of all business founders in Germany.

    … in businesses whose founders have a migrant background, 47% of the workforce come from outside Germany? The average for German startups as a whole is 27%.

    … an above-average proportion of migrant founders seek to internationalise their businesses? 78% of founders with migrant backgrounds would like to expand their business’s activities to other countries. The total for all startups in Germany is 66%.

    … the highest numbers of migrant founders live the German states of North Rhine-Westphalia (NRW) and Berlin? In Berlin many of them come from abroad; in NRW many of them were born in Germany but have a family history of immigration.

    … two of the most famous migrant founders come from Germany? The couple behind Mainz-based vaccine manufacturer BioNTech, Ugur Sahin and Özlem Türeci, have been supplying the world with a vaccine against the coronavirus since 2020.
     
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    The richest, most diverse and powerful nation made up entirely of immigrants screams: “Immigrants are ruining us!”
     
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