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The DOD has taken possession of Qatari gift

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by dynogator, May 21, 2025 at 2:11 PM.

  1. g8orbill

    g8orbill Old Gator Moderator VIP Member

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    in the end I highly doubt it becomes AF1 as the time frame does not seem to work- but who knows
     
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  2. g8orbill

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    and we would be surprised if you ever stopped beating that dead horse
     
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  3. gator_jo

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    And why would someone stop mentioning that ? It's an absolute disgrace, and probably criminal as well, how Trump has used the presidency to enrich himself and his family.

    You ever decide to, well, learn something, about his cryptocurrency scam for example? Got any feelings about that? Or should a sitting president earn hundreds of millions, or even billions, of dollars on a shady untraceable cryptocurrency while he rewards those buyers with literally access to the White House? In addition to ..... well, who can know what else he's done to reward his bribers, because we don't even know the buyers.

    Is it actually even a "dead horse" if the unethical corruption is still going on?

    The fact that YOU don't care about unethical corruption certainly doesn't mean that nobody else should.
     
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  4. OklahomaGator

    OklahomaGator Jedi Administrator Moderator VIP Member

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    Qatar agrees to kick Hamas out of Doha following US request, sources sa
     
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  5. gator_jo

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    Hmmm. You're clearly implying that this is in the US' national interest.

    So pay a bribe to Trump and he will pursue policies in the US national interest?
     
  6. WC53

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    Most foreign aid is a gift to help the struggling or steer others towards a mutual interest. A bribe if you will.

    This is not that. It is a direct to the individual, fluff the ego, gift. Now being old and cranky, I also think other big money gifts to libraries to also be suspect. Just end that nonsense. Libraries? OK Boomer
     
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  7. OklahomaGator

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    That happens well before the plane gift.
     
  8. vaxcardinal

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    What sudden distance?
     
  9. G8tas

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    Are you okay with spending US money to fix a plane that Trump will keep for himself?
     
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  10. SotaGator

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    Nice try at "what-about-ism" but it doesn't apply here.
     
  11. JG8tor

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    Yep. He said that model of jet is no longer in production, so it's more expensive to operate and hard to get parts for. With all of the retro fitting and upgrades (he estimates $500M to $1B), he doubts it would be available before the new Boeing models are finished. He said there should have been more disclosure that the Biden administration was in talks with Qatar about the plane first. He said that the Trump Library would probably use it as a display piece and not a functioning jet because it's already 12 years old and twice as expensive to operate as a newer jet.

    So, after $500M to $1B in retrofitting and upgrades, we get 1 or maybe 2 years of more costly operation out of it before he finishes his term and it's sent off to the library as a display piece. That's not very cost effective or efficient. There are 2 AF1s in service now and 2 replacements being built because they only need 2. If those 2 are completed first, the Qatari gift is a third that is not needed but the retro fits and upgrades are already going in. If it does somehow get finished first, it's a 12 year old discontinued model that is more expensive to operate and hard to get parts for and it's going to be retired by the new models once they're ready - so again, 1 to 2 years for $500M to $1B (maybe his $400K salary (x4) could go toward it and bring it down to $498.4M to $998.4M). Yes, if there was more discussion of Biden's involvement, maybe it wouldn't look like such a blatant grift but they probably obscured Biden's part because a) it was an easy time/cost decision for Biden to say no thanks and b) it wouldn't look like such a super awesome special ass kissing for Trump's ego.

    Legality/constitutionality aside, it's just a bad deal.
     
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  12. gator_jo

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    I see. Pretty impossible that these separate things were both previously discussed, or that any quid pro quo may have been established. Absolutely no chance, right?
     
  13. OklahomaGator

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    From what I have read, the plane will go to his Presidental library after he leaves office.
     
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  14. OklahomaGator

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    So Qatar says we will kick Hamas out and then give you an airplane? What did we give them?
     
  15. G8tas

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    Are you okay with spending up to a billion dollars to use a plane for 1 to 2 years knowing that you're going to have to buy another one?
     
  16. vaxcardinal

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    We gave them an opportunity to invest over $1T in the US. And that’s a bad thing because we don’t want bringing business to the US…or whatever nonsense the liberals say
     
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  17. gator_jo

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    Who knows. It's as shady as Qatar bailing out bad investments by Kushner or establishing a multibillion dollar "investment fund" with 'Lil Jared.

    One thing's for sure - it all looks shady as hell. And gifting Trump a plane is almost certainly illegal. (Not that you or any other loyal MAGAs care.)

    Maybe this?

    The United States played a key role in brokering an end to the blockade of Qatar, a diplomatic dispute initiated by Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, and Egypt in 2017. US involvement included direct engagement by President Trump, his son-in-law Jared Kushner, and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo
     
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  18. channingcrowderhungry

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    I love the threads where you can clearly tell folks that are blinded by unwavering partisanship
     
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  19. OklahomaGator

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    Wouldn't brokering the end to the blockade be a good thing? Blockading a country is considered an act of war.

    Do you have a link to bailing out the Kushner fund?
     
  20. gator_jo

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    Yeah, sure. But it was a building. And don't you read about any of this stuff?



    Kushners Near Deal With Qatar-Linked Company for Troubled Tower


    The company controlled by the family of the White House adviser Jared Kushner is close to receiving a bailout of its troubled flagship building by a company with financial ties to the government of Qatar, according to executives briefed on the deal.

    Charles Kushner, head of the Kushner Companies, is in advanced talks with Brookfield Asset Management over a partnership to take control of the 41-story aluminum-clad tower in Midtown Manhattan, 666 Fifth Avenue, according to two real estate executives who have been briefed on the pending deal but were not authorized to discuss it. Brookfield is a publicly traded company, and its real estate arm, Brookfield Property Partners, is partly owned by the Qatari government, through the Qatar Investment Authority.

    Charles Kushner and his son Jared, President Trump’s son-in-law and one of his key advisers, bought the office tower, which is between 52nd and 53rd Streets, 11 years ago for a record-setting $1.8 billion. But the building today only generates about half its annual mortgage payment, and 30 percent of the 41-story tower is vacant.

    Kushners Near Deal With Qatar-Linked Company for Troubled Tower (Published 2018)
     
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