I don’t think you can engage in a good faith conversation on the subject - it is too triggering to your base ideology. Answer this - why do you think colleges such as UF are bringing in 60% female - or 50% more females than males? Do you think there may be an underlying issue that needs to be identified or addressed?
Starting to think you might be a female… I’m going to look back into a few of your past posts. Hmmmmm
Having had both a boy and a girl in high school, I don't think all the focus has been on advancing girls, certainly not in my direct experience. I think the focus has been on getting kids of either gender into college, maybe too much so. There needs to be more focus on preparing kids for trades and careers that don't require a college degree, as not everyone is cut out for college. That would help boys.
That is a bit thought provoking as the access to opportunity does seem more important than outcomes. Taking it a bit extreme though if women have equal opportunity to deadlift weight vs men you will get radically different results due to physiology. Similarly if men are getting equal access to education but getting different results learning due to physiology maybe men need their own division? I feel like my argument wont hold up. : )
You think that is because UF is set up for a female learning style? Arent you making an ideological conclusion too? Why is isnt in good faith? You dont think I believe what I'm saying and I'm trying to troll you or something? I think the reason is fairly straight forward as I wrote above, men arent pushed to college like women. Or school in general for things like learning stuff. They never have been. Now that a college degree is a pre-req for almost any well paying job, all that is starting to reflect in the economy. I didnt apply myself through most of school TBH, and there wasnt much social encouragement from my male peers to do so. I was smart enough to get by and get a UF degree. I dont think I tried until grad school, and that was just me deciding to take things seriously.
I don’t disagree. I shouldn’t have said “all” - but there have been special efforts to advance girls and minorities, which I’m not saying is wrong. But naturally if much of your focus is on this, being a society of limited priorities it isn’t shocking focusing on issues specific to boys was not a priority. Conceptually I agree with trade school opportunities but I don’t know how effective they really are here or what sort of evidence there is they meet their objectives. There are certainly some worthless for profit debt mills around Some sort of apprenticeship program co funded by business and government may be more effective.
This is so far off of anything I’ve said I’m not even going to address it. I actually thinks you have some valid points here. So to the extent boys aren’t “pushed” or motivated to study or go to college, is that something that is just an “is what is is” scenario or is it worth trying to understand the root causes of those social forces and address them in a constructive manner?
They were, but perhaps not in an explicit or productive way. Decades ago there were higher expectations for boys. In general if there are higher expectations that usually acts as a motivator - both for the students and educators. Unfortunately those expectations were at the expense of girls. Girls get married and have kids. Girls aren’t good in math. Yada yada.
This will probably get me in trouble, but I feel like some of this may be the natural order of things. Girls may well be more predisposed to go to college. In the past they were suppressed. Not anymore. Thus we are seeing the difference now.
Can you prove that? That seems like a big generalization. This isnt even the first time "whats up with boys" has been a thing. This was a pretty influential book in the early 60s: Growing Up Absurd - Wikipedia
They say “trades” like no science or math needed. Remember when I had my last house built and the GC goes, you can only talk to Kevin, he is the only one who can read plans and add measurements. Go back 40-50 years, doing framing gig. Older guy bitching, how come the kid gets to build all the stairs and get a helper. Boss, he can count. Craftsmanship and professionalism often gets left behind in the low price showdown.
Of course its worth trying to understand, personally I dont think there is a constructive way to address those problems without being accused of a "gender ideology Marxist" by people invested in a society that is anti-egalitarian. We have to start with the idea that a lot of people dont want women to succeed or have any sort of autonomy outside of men.
