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Reverse Gender Gap: Men Falling Behind

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by citygator, May 21, 2025 at 7:05 AM.

  1. vegasfox

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    Rising percentages of doctors who are female leads to higher medical costs. Because when female doctors marry and have children they downsize or quit their medical practices. Lower supplies of doctors means doctors will charge more.
     
  2. wgbgator

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    Why is the onus on women to give men purpose?
     
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  3. l_boy

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    1. For discrepancies like this to flow through to the point that women dominate jobs of high power can take decades

    2. Like it or not, women still tend to be more likely to take career breaks for child rearing

    3. Two things can happen at once. It is possible that select males will dominate, while at the same time a large percentage of non college educated males can fall behind.
     
  4. l_boy

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    I think it was Charles Murray who wrote about this, perhaps decades ago. It is also cited as a reason for less and later marriage. Non college educated women find many non college educated men less economically reliable and are less likely to marry, even in the case of children being involved.
     
  5. PITBOSS

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    interesting, imo that is also a driver for some of our divisiveness. Older gens with nothing to do sitting around getting mad at the internet. “See, I’m involved”.
     
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  6. GatorRade

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    Right here
    This is possible, but there are several lines of evidence that don’t support this. E.g. that high status jobs increasing require advanced education, boys fall behind academically from grade school, several other indicators of poor well being in males, such as higher rates of deaths of despair. In addition, data show that college educated women want mates that are college educated, so a lack of one limits mating opportunities.

    I know that I will be pushing my son to go to college.
     
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  7. slocala

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    Sorry, you read into my post with your own bias. We live in a competitive society with limited resources and allocations of opportunities. If the structure favors one gender of over another (historically), you have to take the consequence of biology and testosterone into account with societal choices.
     
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  8. slocala

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    I think older generations used to have hobbies. Those hobbies have been replaced with a dopamine hit from addictive internet message boards and feeding the brain with the virus of how society has taken from them. I have often thought older men need more sex and a garage with a project that thier significant other will cherish.
     
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  9. wgbgator

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    Isnt that just the product of ... not going to college?
     
  10. wgbgator

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    What I read into this is you subscribe to an inherently fascist and/or biological determinist outlook.
     
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  11. l_boy

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    Partially, but is males not going to college a cause of the problem or the result of a different problem?

    It seems pretty obvious to me that we have focused on advancing the needs of girls, minorities, and diversity in general while at the same time have ignored issues and differences that are more specific to boys, largely because contemplating such a thing was shamed as politically incorrect by people such as yourself.
     
  12. wgbgator

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    As I said, this seems kind of the product of patriarchy ... men dont need to be good at school to get by, or at least that is the expectations society sets for them. Women are told in a mans world you got to be better at everything to get ahead. And these concern stories are a perfect example of the kind of coddling we do with men, especially white men. Will anyone tell them they have to be better or work harder at school? I doubt it. What will happen is that because men dominate society, they will simply seek to make things easier for boys, by dominating women and putting girls back in their place. Same shit as ever. And if you arent white, they will essentially turn you into a criminal as a means of disciplining you (less competition for white men). Also, same shit as ever.
     
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  13. wgbgator

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    Yeah, it is the result of a different problem, an idea of gender that is rooted in the industrial economy of 100+ years ago. And patriarchy which predates that too.
     
  14. slocala

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    You would be wrong. Perhaps seek to understand before you “read into”.
     
  15. wgbgator

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    Maybe you should understand the implications of what you write
     
  16. mrhansduck

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    Historically, girls/women (as well as racial minorities) lacked equal opportunities, so that was unfair on its face - aside from disparities in outcomes. That long history is why many believed that affirmative action programs were justified. Assuming boys/men today have equal opportunities as girls/women in terms of education and jobs - yet boys/men are deciding not to even pursue those opportunities - that seems like a different issue to me. That doesn't mean it's not important, but I am not sure it makes sense to talk about it as a reverse trend without recognizing these contextual differences.
     
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  17. slocala

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    You get the last word. Enjoy your day.
     
  18. dangolegators

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    I think that for most of history, with regards to college and careers, women were suppressed and now they aren't. So that's now coming out in the stats. Boys are not being denied opportunities.
     
  19. l_boy

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    It’s not that they are being denied opportunities. It’s just that boys have specific developmental and learning differences which have been ignored, and all the focus has been on advancing girls.
     
  20. wgbgator

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    Do you really think that is the case? Like, you think say, the state of Alabama is running schools to "advance girls." Or that say standardized testing is catered to girls and disadvantages boys? Was there a time when schools didnt ignore these supposed developmental/learning differences?
     
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