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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. duggers_dad

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    Our failed proxy war (and sanctions) ought to humble.

    Prediction: it won’t …

    The strategic illusion driving continued support is not born of a sincere belief in Ukrainian victory but rather of a desperate attempt to delay political reckoning. Having invested enormous political capital in the narrative of Ukrainian success, Western governments now face a stark choice: admit failure or fabricate further illusions. In this sense, Ukraine’s war effort has been subordinated to Western political needs rather than judged on its own strategic merits. This helps explain why Ukrainian leadership was encouraged to reject diplomatic offramps like the Istanbul talks: the West preferred a failed gamble on battlefield reversal to an early settlement that would have publicly exposed the limits of Western power and credibility.
    could well have been a rehash from late 2022.
     
  2. duggers_dad

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  5. duggers_dad

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    Su-30 shoot down in a doubt, but Ukraine scores a solid hit on Russian apartment building …

     
  7. G8trGr8t

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    two more patriots would surely help close some gaps

    Ukraine Receives Patriot Air Defense System from the United States

    Ukraine will receive a new reinforcement in its air defense in the context of its war against Russia. An American Patriot system, previously deployed in Israel, will be transferred to Ukrainian forces after being refurbished, as reported by The New York Times.

    In addition to the shipment from Israel, Western allies are in talks to facilitate the delivery of another similar system from Europe.
     
  8. vaxcardinal

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    And that’s suppose to end the war or continue it?
     
  9. BLING

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    It’s a defensive system, so I suppose it would be expected to do neither.
     
  10. G8trGr8t

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    end under what terms?

    surrender and it ends tomorrow. is that what you would propose
     
  11. uftaipan

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    I think we have more or less established there is no just way to resolve the conflict at this time. You may not like it, but Russia needs to bleed more.
     
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    Even if it extended the war, and you’re adamantly against extending it, what justification would you have for withholding a defensive system that would save lives, especially in populated areas?
     
  13. G8trGr8t

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    Ukraine back into Kursk? Let Russia wear themselves out playing rope a dope and now going to take it back once the Russians are exhausted?

    Ukraine reportedly launches new Kursk offensive

    Ukrainian forces reportedly tore back into Russia's region of Kursk on Monday in a stunning reversal after Moscow claimed to have pushed them out last month. Russian war bloggers said opposing troops had fired missiles, crossed minefields and smashed through the border this morning. 'The enemy blew up bridges with rockets at night and launched an attack with armored groups in the morning,' The 'RVvoenkor' war blogger said on Telegram.

    'The mine clearance vehicles began to make passages in the minefields, followed by armored vehicles with troops. There is a heavy battle going on at the border.' The local governor also said Ukrainian attacks had killed three people in the contested border region. Russia's top general said last month that Kyiv 's forces had been pushed out of the Kursk region, ending a months-long incursion that shifted leverage in the war.

    Ukraine says its forces still have a foothold in Kursk, after staging an assault in August to gain advantage in peace talks and complicate Russian momentum in Ukraine. Reports of a renewed attack emerged days after Russia said its forces were trying to create a 'security strip' on the border to prevent another Ukrainian incursion. Another assault would be humiliating for Moscow as it prepares for its Victory Day celebrations to mark the 80th anniversary of the end of World War II in Europe.

    There was no immediate comment from either Russia or Ukraine. Kursk's governor appeared to confirm the incursion, reporting that three people had been killed in the region on Monday. 'A Ukrainian FPV-drone attacked a Lada Largus car... unfortunately as a result of the hit two women were killed,' Alexander Khinstein said in a post on Telegram. In a separate incident, a 53-year-old man was killed in his car when an explosive device was dropped onto it, Khinstein added.
     
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    'Completely different technological level': Expert on downing of Su-30 over Black Sea

    He added that this was a brilliantly planned operation, where the Russian forces detected a Ukrainian drone but lacked the proper means to strike it effectively.

    "They tried to hit our boat near Zmiinyi Island using fighter jets. The boat was maneuvering. On the Su-30, there are two pilots — one maneuvers, and the other deals with the weapons. But it didn’t help them; they couldn’t hit us, and we got away. So, it’s a different technological level," the expert pointed out.

    But what struck him the most was Russia's reaction to the downing of their two planes, which once again revealed the true face of the enemy.

    "You know what surprised me the most in this story? It’s the Russian reaction to the attack, that Ukrainians observed the two pilots being rescued after ejecting and didn’t destroy them. The Russians say, 'We would have definitely destroyed them.' But the Ukrainians, well, they seem either intellectual or civilized people," Kryvolap concluded.
     
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    Reports that China has warned UK and France don’t you dare let your puppet ‘rain’ on Moscow’s Victory Day parade while Xi is in town.
     
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    Oooooooh

    That’ll scare em. lol
     
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  17. duggers_dad

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    Never mind the military puggles that are UK and France, betcha by golly our top brass is wary of China’s ascendency. For the sake of sanity I’m glad someone is.
     
  18. duggers_dad

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    Whatever happened to the anti war Left ? I’ll be damned if they Don’t want to fight everyone these days.
     
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    Roster of dignitaries who will be in Moscow May 9

     
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    Such a lovely peaceful, caring group.