4 Oregon HS girls refuse to compete against male athlete who is dominating girls' track and field

Generally speaking, transgenders

Are high IQ (128 avg in 1 study)
Aspergery
Not nice

Per Steve Sailer

 

Because the other dems dodge the issue and basically seem to quietly support the left wing view in order to appease the far left base.

 

Isn't this a public school function making it subject to Title IX?

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Fair enough, but also it's not really an issue. It's more of a Trumppublican talking point.

I think most "Dem" are probably like me; they don't really care much about this because it doesn't affect them, and they're content to see state, local, school or athletic governing bodies manage it. Small and local government, right?

Trump and the right successfully making is a political football, IMO, doesn't actually make it a relevant "issue."

 

I’ll agree with this and other “woke” issues while I think there have been excesses I typically don’t want to see the federal, or often even the state govt stepping in to fix these things.

However the optics of having men in women’s sports is terrible. Most of us have probably grew up participating in sports, have kids that participate in sports or are fans of it. There is a fundamental sense of fairness in sports. When that is discarded in the misguided name of social justice or identity politics it bothers everybody, even though at the current level it affects almost nobody.

If a party gets to where they can’t say “there are two sexes” because that will offend the fringe of their base, they become completely unrelatable to most people.

 

I think the problem with this “there are two sexes” is that isn’t 100% true. There are people legit born with intersex conditions. Like that Olympic boxer for example, which is what many suspect (born and identified female, but may in fact be genetically part male). I think cases like that show the stupidity of the “you must compete with the gender on your birth certificate”, as their outrage literally went against what was supposed to be simple.

Of course that isn’t the same as a person who “transitions”. Cases like this where a person literally competed as male, then 1 or 2 years later competed as female. That takes it to a ridiculous extreme. I kind of look at it through the “disabilities act” prism. The legal standard with a lot of discrimination is “reasonable accommodation”. If a person with these issues wants to compete, I generally don’t care in the opaque. But I’d say when you allow them to transition and they start “dominating” within 1-2 years that goes beyond reasonable accommodation. Pretty obvious fix if you competed as a male at some level, you 100% cannot switch and compete as a female. That was how the swimming governing body “solved” it, and most sports bodies should probably go ahead and institute similar rules to take it away from politicians.

 

What I find most interesting about this particular situation is the psychology of college admissions and situational behavior. All 4 girls refusing to compete have a POV. The other girls that did compete represent a different POV. One could have written a completely different article about the girls that did compete and were confronted with arguably an ethics challenge and how they overcame the obstacles. Conversely, the 4 that didn’t compete have an alternative ethical challenge about an obstacle and how they chose to protest. Two different admissions officers might value the cohorts response and action in different ways. Oddly, a college track athlete scholarship is likely based on time relative to the competition broadly and not just one meet. It would be an interesting follow up article to see where the 4 protesters landed versus the girls that chose to compete.

 

Dude, not wanting men in my daughters locker rooms or competing against them, is not bigotry.

Who are you, the former mayor of Charlotte?

 

So you are against Title IX?
I hope you are happy when UF ditches the women's soccer team for a men's one.

 

As long as we win a championship i don’t care if it’s a men’s or women’s soccer team.

 

Title IX won't be enforced anyway if the Dept of Ed is dissolved. And I support no discrimination based on sex, but title IX didn't do that. It separated men from women and not on ability. Try doing that for any other profession and watch people lose their minds. There should be a soccer team not a men's and a women's soccer team. Create different classes based on ability if you want, but anyone can join based on their ability, not sex.

 

I don’t think Title IX created women’s sports per se. Granted, as it demands equal scholarships it is why schools like UF have women’s soccer but not men’s soccer… to keep those scholarship #’s equal.

Regardless, no I vehemently disagree that we should get rid of women’s sports. That’s just a silly overreaction to a few oddball cases. Sports always have issues with juicing, women’s sports probably always had situations like that boxer where a dominant woman has some genetic stuff going on, the trans athlete isn’t too different just get rid of their ability to switch sexes in sports - that is the aspect that seems crazy.

 

We are discriminating people by putting them in categories based on their sex. I say get rid of sex in sports completely. There should be one team at each level. The best regardless of sex should compete. The separate category in itself is sexist and limits potential exposure and opportunities for women. We are basically saying as a society that you are separate from men because you are inferior. Competition on a level playing field is the only way to prove it isnt.

Just to underscore my point, if title IX was the great leveler, why isnt there a Womens CFB? Or High school FB for that matter?

 

Are you going to set up 80 individual changing rooms for football players? That's going to be a good expense converting all those football locker rooms to individual changing rooms. And then where do the teams meeting before the game, at halftime and after the game?

For individual sports like tennis and golf, you are right, a locker room isn't really needed as much. But for team sports, a locker room is still a very important environment.

 

No it isn't. You need a meeting place, that's all. A room with screens that can go over plays during halftime is much more valuable than a locker room. We are holding on to an idea that is long overdue for an overhaul.

 

Lean! Lean! Lean on that crutch (had to dig for this one too).

Nobody cares outside of the most hardcore of MAGA simps and absolutely ZERO will care when the 70s-era inflation rolls in. Only upside is it's going to be the complete death of Trump and the MAGA movement. Or maybe the military will listen to Hegseth and shoot the protestors and give you your precious Christo-Fascist state.

We'll know soon enough. I have my suspicions that it's not going to go very well for people like you.

 

This is horse shit, and part of the reason liberals are so despised. Instead of analyzing the obvious merits of the arguments, you go straight to “you’re a bigot”.

If you can’t figure out that biological males will have a physical advantage over biological females in many sports, there really isn’t any reasoning with you.

Do you think women using male hormones for a period to get stronger, like the East Germans, Russians and Chinese used to (or in some instances still do) should be legalized again?

 

You're both correct.

It's a largely irrelevant, yet still real, issue that should be decided on the state/local/governing body level.

The issue is utilized by bigots as a wedge issue, and should be almost entirely ignored by the populace as a whole.

For context, this thread was started by a cheerleader of cutting all US foreign aid, which will certainly result in millions of deaths. But we should dignify their deep, deep concern about a tiny number of female athletes impacted by transgender people? Nah. Not gonna happen from me.

 

You can choose to ignore it, but the issue is it is a real wedge issue and until Democrats can distance themselves from it in a rational way they will continue to get tarred with it.

 

The problem is the right wing’s interests largely *is* bigotry/culture war nonsense. It isn’t protecting the sanctity of women’s sports. To be fair a few have legitimate interest in women’s sports, the vast majority do not. Hell just a few posts up a poster suggested eliminating women’s sports entirely!

WGB’s point (I think) is that their position comes from a place of bigotry, but when it comes to sports they stumbled upon a winning/correct position as far as fairness. Thats why this stuff is like catnip when they have one of these extreme examples. Same situation as an immigrant committing a crime, and you see they use that for their anti-immigration agenda. They can use the individual to demonize the larger group (bigotry 101). They are correct on this one only in the narrow context of sports, not with the attempts at broader demonization.