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Trump goes to War with America’s Children…

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by WarDamnGator, May 3, 2025 at 10:44 AM.

  1. BLING

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    I am not in favor of companies using “slave labor”, and some FoxConn factories are notoriously bad. Nevertheless I’d be more in favor of some certification process and market choices.

    A company like Mattel makes that choice about where they want to source their dolls. It’s their IP. Doesn’t belong to the govt. So on something frivolous like that not sure on what basis the govt should be involved at all, beyond concerns like product safety.
     
  2. thedonaldgod

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    I never said Mattel doesn't have the choice of where to source their dolls. But those choices have consequences. I don't think it's wrong for the U.S. to make Mattel pay a penalty in the form of a tariff for sourcing those dolls out of the country.

    And before you scream "they'll just pass the cost along to the consumer!!", they better watch out. If their prices become uncompetitive, people just won't buy and will maybe buy dolls from an American company who has the same, if not better pricing, after the tariffs.

    Or they can do the right thing, stop using slave labor and bring that manufacturing back to the U.S. and create U.S. jobs. They have the option to avoid the tariff if they truly want to.
     
  3. mdgator05

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    Oh yeah, we can all go back to making dolls again. I will be right behind you in line for a job at the doll factory. Also no immigrants. So, we will need to switch people out of jobs with high salaries to jobs with low salaries. Will you like to volunteer for the first pay cut to a US doll factory? Cutting your own salary would totally own us libs.
     
  4. G8tas

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    Look at you picturing a giant doll factory of American workers sitting in chairs making dolls
     
  5. Contra

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    Liberalism, which clearly in the context of the article is used interchangeably with leftism, is not necessarily defined by what the GOP is. In the US it is primarily defined by what the most influential leftist organizations say it is. The 2024 DNC party platform is quite clear on these issues. It is a platform that garnered 48.3% of the national vote in the Presidential election.
     
  6. citygator

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    Last year when you bought a $19.99 Mattel toy from Walmart. Walmart earns $6, Mattel earns $7, the government gets $1 in tariffs, transportation companies earn $2, and the Chinese factory gets about $4-5 earning about $1 in profit for the factory.

    Everyone makes out big from Chinese toy manufacturing.

    If a toy costs $39.99 in the future then the customer has $20 less to spend on something else. Your ideas and Trump’s is an economic disaster.
     
  7. thedonaldgod

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    Or maybe it means we don't buy that product until it's made here in the U.S. and Mattel (and obviously a lot of Companies), have a choice to make. People need to stop buying the junk from China.
     
  8. citygator

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    Why?
     
  9. mdgator05

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    Okay, you go ahead and do that. I'm going to decline your offer.
     
  10. thedonaldgod

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    Because the less reliance we have on the communist country of China the better. Funny how your side if all for an economic and almost complete boycott of communist, but either have no issues with or absolutely terrified by communist China. What's the real difference in your eyes?

    Are you that addicted to cheap Chinese goods that you are willing to tolerate China using slave labor and stealing intellectual property?
     
  11. thedonaldgod

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    I already do. I consciously try not to buy China at any costs. Obviously many items, I have no choice, but if I have the choice, I put the China made product back.

    I believe in experiences and traveling. That's where I want to spend my money. Not just buying a bunch of junk that's going to sit around the house.

    Same with Canada now. They want to boycott us, we'll boycott them. I won't buy any Canadian made product now if I can help it.
     
  12. citygator

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    We aren’t moving toy factories from China to the US. They will go to India and Korea and Vietnam. Now what?
     
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  13. mdgator05

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    Okay, have fun with that. I have ways that I would prefer to spend my time than to look up where stuff was made and the knowledge that final assembly is generally a pretty minor part of the equation anyways. Stop trying to get government to tell me what products I should buy.

    Also, you have to love how the right is suddenly simultaneously pushing "who needs stuff" and "we should make a lot more stuff" as if those are consistent positions.
     
  14. dynogator

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    Trump is indeed "making war on children," but it's certainly not about dolls. It's about dismantling social programs, educational programs, food assistance programs, environmental regulations, etc.

    Dolls. :rolleyes: If only.
     
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  15. thedonaldgod

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    I'm okay with this. This world needs less children. Look at our roads and overall infrastructure, everything is too crowded. The U.S. currently has 340.1 million people. Honestly I'd like to see us get down to 275 million in the next 50 years.
     
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    I’m sorry this is simply not a true representation of the state of US politics. Trump is not a conservative yet people who support him identify as conservatives. So this isn’t gonna to work on a simple spectrum between “left and right”
     
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    Don't worry, the birth rate is dropping fast, thanks to the hostile policies of the so-called "family friendly," Right.

    It reads like you're saying you're okay with Trump's abdication of social responsibility to US citizens, and that it's okay for children to suffer, if it promotes your vision of fewer people. Is that what you're saying?
     
  18. BLING

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    You already have that choice now. Other than computers and electronics, almost every product category can be found made in USA or at least a 1st world country - including toys. The problem is you actually aren’t willing to pay that premium or explore those niches. You are living in an imaginary world where goods will be both protected with insane tariffs AND continue to be available with low COGS. That arrangement doesn’t exist.
     
  19. thedonaldgod

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    Well I'm not against people having children overall. I think a lot of the population decline can be achieved by getting out permanent residents, non-citizens on Temporary Protected Status and others here illegally. We could probably get 20 - 30 million alone out just by taking those steps.

    I am against people having big families, especially ones they can not afford.

    I would put in stipulations that, if you want to be on full government assistance, you have your tubes tied. Woman doesn't want to do that, fine, they get no government assistance. We need to stop promoting our poorest people from breeding like rabbits. Look at our society, the lower class are typically the ones that have 4, 5, 6 kids. Upper class typically have 2, maybe 3. Middle class, due to being crushed right now, probably having 1, maybe 2.

    I would also be okay with a 2 child maximum policy. After getting illegals, non-citizens on TPS, permanent residents and criminals out, having 2 child per coupon puts us just below replacement rate.

    Once the population is down to 250 to 275 million, couples would then be allowed to have up to 3 children. Many will elect not to, but those who do would then be above the replacement rate. By having most couples have 2 children, we create a stable population that the U.S. can actually support.
     
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    So we need more pandemics