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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. uftaipan

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    Strategic genius if you ask me. Putin has lured not only NATO but also other adversarial liberal democracies, such as Japan and Australia, to involuntarily divest themselves of their obsolete, surplus military equipment. Now what are these countries supposed to do in the event of war? Replace those stockpiles with state-of-the-art gear? Ha!
     
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  2. 92gator

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    He was clearly talking about a Venusian day... day's not even halfway done. :cool:

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  3. G8trGr8t

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    You forgot the part about sacrificing their sams to lure them in for the drones to take them out..
     
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  6. CaptUSMCNole

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    It looks like Trump is telling Ukraine that as long as they are willing to buy weapons, the US is open for business in terms of FMS. The Ukrainians have been famous for not wanting to buy anything but instead wanting things donated. As long as we can arrange financing for them, this is good news.
     
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  7. demosthenes

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    This seems to be a change from Trump as his initial response to Zelenskyy’s request to purchase was to essentially say “no” without uttering the word.
     
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    I think that was part of the outreach to Putin to get him to the negotiating table. Now that Putin has shown he is not interested, it is game on.
     
  9. ncargat1

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    Shocking....liar Trump did NOT get a deal done, Day 1 or otherwise.

     
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  10. uftaipan

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    Well, no deal, for the moment, means no deal that gives Russia whatever it wants and normalizes armed conquest, ringing the dinner bell for China. So let’s all of us — all of us — stop pretending any other other party (yes, including the Trump Administration) than Russia is at fault for a just deal being impossible at this time. The nicest thing I can say is that this whole mummer’s farce was worth the effort just because some people really needed to see the Russian intransigence to believe it. Put the screws to Russia economically and militarily for another year, then dangle a less generous peace.
     
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    The Mummer's Farce was the parade of idiot after idiot from Trump's caabinet going on the propaganda network and repeating the party line that "Trump, Master Negotiator, can negotiate any deal and can bring this war to an end". There was never going to be a deal and anyone with half a brain knew that the Russians initiated this war and were never going to negotiate any peace deal short of a total and complete surrender.

    We did not need the Liar-in-Chief and his band of morons playing "peacemaker" when in fact, Trump is way, way in over his head in these negoatiations.
     
  12. uftaipan

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    Okay, but ask yourself what you’re more pleased about, that we don’t have to settle for a deal that Russia can pass off as strategic victory (which is frankly all Trump or anyone else could have gotten this year) or that Trump failed? For me, it’s unequivocally the former. I have been saying since Trump won the election that the sides were simply too far apart and not yet exhausted enough to impose a peace that both could live with. Still, I saw the value in going through with trying as a demonstration. We were more than generous with Russia’s fragile ego, having been humbled militarily in a conventional war by a lesser power, but the more we put on offer (much of which wasn’t even ours to offer) the more Russia wanted. I saw that clear as can be back then. I hope the scales are starting to fall from the eyes of those who truly believed a just peace (yes, opinions are going to vary widely on the definition of that) could be reached through negotiation with the Russians at the moment. Russia needs to bleed more, both literally and figuratively. Maybe for one more year. Maybe longer. There will be a point at which Russia will decide holding on to stolen land and stolen people is not quite as “existential” as the volcano brewing at home. Let’s worry about finding that point.