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Does Iran already have nuclear weapons?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by vegasfox, Apr 30, 2025 at 6:31 PM.

  1. vegasfox

    vegasfox GC Hall of Fame

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    Iran acquired nuclear weapons when the USSR broke up over 3 decades ago. 4 devices came from Kazakhstan. Other presumably more powerful weapons were bought from Ukraine. And Iran has developed its own nukes, probably with help from North Korea. Gregory Copley has been stating these 'facts' for almost 34 years and he says the US gov't knows this is the case.

    Almost 20 years ago I said Iran should be brought into Western civilization, based on what I read in one of Copley's books, The Art of Victory (2005).

    In his early 30's Cópley was an advisor to the late Shah. His former director of research was the late Yossef Bodandky, author of Osama bin Laden, the Man who Declared War on America (1999). Bodansky agreed that Iran has had nukes for decades, as did the late Iranian diplomat who worked with Copley and Bodansky at the International Strategic Studies Association ("Homayun" sic?).

    John Bachelor Show, April 25, 2025. Go to 3:20 in the video below to hear Copley state that Iran already has nukes.

    What to do? Isolate and or bomb Iran? Or would it be smarter to bring Iran into the "Western camp"? There was a time when Iran was a strong ally of America.

    Foreign Affairs (with Gregory Copley)
     
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  2. vegasfox

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    Well, we have a whole government department for this. The Department of State. First, we sit down and talk and ensure non-aggression. Then, we talk about free and fair trade and make such agreements. Eventually, Iran realizes that if their women have no rights, they can't buy anything. So they stop denying women rights... then women get rights, some of them get jobs.. and some shade of gender equality/equity takes hold...and then we're on our way to Iran being no more screwed up than Turkey.

    But first of all, we do not bomb them unprovoked. The hell is wrong with you?
     
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  4. vegasfox

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    My position for 2 decades has been to be friends with Iran and bring it into the Western camp. That means we don't bomb Iran just because Israel considers it an existential threat.
     
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    I share your hope of a peaceful Iran who is a good citizen in the world community. I've some concerns with their gender roles --- Iranian women have few rights and also generate a very low fraction of Iran's GDP -- but that's something we can work through eventually.

    I also support Israel's right to exist as a Jewish ethnostate. That said, I regard Israeli "fear" as worthless... mostly because I regard all feelings (fee-fees) as worthless. So IDGA..damn if they fear a free Iran.
     
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    :emoji_musical_score: Ba ba ba…
     
  7. vegasfox

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    The days of Iran's clerics are numbered. The goal should be to give them an exit strategy. I blame Jimmy Carter and the political left for what happened to Iran. Iranian women were better off pre-1979
     
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    I hope history proves you right! Visiting Tehran is on my bucket list!
     
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    I was in Iran when the Shah was there. Beautiful place.
     
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  10. vegasfox

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    Iran is one of the more mountainous countries in the world. I think it has land borders with 9 countries. ~15 countries if you take into where it intersects other countries in the Persian Gulf or Caspian Sea. Most people can't find Iran on a map, especially if it is a continental map without the country borders drawn. Men are more likely to find it than women.

    Were you in Iran as a tourist or in a governmental capacity?
     
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    Seems like bombing Iran has to come first before they can join the "West". It's kind of tradition...
     
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    A US carrier had to do a hard-about, losing a $60 million Hornet in the process, to avoid getting hit by a Houthi something. But we can easily dispatch Iran.
     
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    This is how we should proceed with Iran, I know an Iranian who came to the US years ago during the reign of the Shah and he says the people want to be part of the "west" and don't support the clerics.
     
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    We’ve typically used this rationale as an excuse to meddle in the affairs of other countries, often with disastrous results. We’ve been doing this for decades.
     
  15. vegasfox

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    This is a 2002 report that states Iran acquired a few nukes from Kaxkhstan in December 1991. The author was director of research at the International Strategic Studies Association. He died in Dec 2021. FWIW he was born in Israel. He headed the US Congressional Task Force on Unconventional Warfare. In 1995/96 Seffie predicted jets would hit the WTC. He also said Islamists would use 2 "lily white" Americans to hit a federal building in the American heartland. This was 3-4 months before the Oklahoma City bombing. Believe or don't believe the report below. Your call
    GIS Special Topical Studies: Iraq War 2003. © GIS

    This is another report by Bodansky: The Secret History of the Joint Nuclear Program of Iran and North Korea.
    https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/192490/364_Bodansky.pdf

    Ex-CIA analyst Ray McGovern thinks Iran stopped trying to acquire nuclear weapons in 2003
     
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    I predict the over/under on laughing emojis I’ll get from this is 3. Work with me on this …

    What are the odds that various countries have had thousands and thousands of nukes, for decades, but apart from Hiroshima and Nagasaki, none have ever been used ?

    Not one itchy finger anywhere in all that time ?

    What if they’ve been used primarily as bluster devices but are not capable of blowing up cities let alone the world ?

    Wouldn’t that be a good thing ?

    Even this guy is suggesting that nukes generate fears all out of proportion to their damaging effects …

     
  17. vaxcardinal

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    I was there as a dependent of a government employee