I don’t have an issue with weight gain. FYI: mine are not the rantings of a fat guy. I go 6-0 and 170 and my weight has not varied much fever the decades.* *while working as a trainer, operating as my own lab rat, I decided to determine how hard it would be for a slender guy to lose weight. I ate one meal a day while increasing steps to 20,000. I got down to around 150 and it was abject misery.
I think medicine is covering up unhealthy lifestyles. We are living longer but only because of the help of medicine. The diseases caused by obesity are also ones that are well controlled with medicine. I am sure we won't see eye to eye on this. However, I don't disagree that the body does become acclimated to a certain weight and the efforts to lose weight are often fruitless. I also think our current society is incongruent with our historical biological need to eat when available, hence the obesity rates we currently have.
I grant that this is a popular train of thought, but what medications are keeping us alive ? As recently as 2008 not only were Americans living longer, they were living ACTIVELY longer based on assistance required as seniors.
I don't think I can say anything that would change your mind but it is common knowledge that untreated hypertension, high cholesterol, and type 2 diabetes lead to earlier death. Overweight people are more likely to suffer from these diseases as well. Health Risks of Overweight & Obesity - NIDDK How People with Type 2 Diabetes Can Live Longer Landmark NIH study shows intensive blood pressure management may save lives The Dangers of Untreated High Cholesterol: Stroke, Heart Attack, and M
I’ve already posted an article underscoring the problems with blood pressure studies and most heart attack victims had normal cholesterol at the time, summary … AI Overview While it's true that high LDL cholesterol (the "bad" cholesterol) is a risk factor for heart attacks, studies suggest that nearly 75% of heart attack patients do not have dangerously high LDL cholesterol levels. This means that many heart attacks can occur even when cholesterol levels are within "normal" ranges, emphasizing the importance of considering other risk factors.
Even conventional healthcare is turning away from (if slowly) BMI serving as a health proxy. It’s not like Americans are beached whales. We see a 400-pounder and then imagine we see them everywhere. The average American male over 40 is 5-9 197 and the average American female over 40 is 5-4 171. The average American is chubby with the ponderously fat and the anorexic thin at extreme ends of the bell curve.
I understand. But that's my point, if you don't have an issue with weight gain, why would you see diets and medications, as a cause for weight gain, to be problematic? It seems like you might see it as the key to body happiness, no? Go GATORS! ,WESGATORS
I am simply pointing to the irony in which the most weight-conscious people on the planet are shooting themselves in the foot!
@duggers_dad - did you used to go by a different name? I feel like this is a redo of a conversation I had 10 years ago on here. And I think that person was a former personal trainer as well
Busted! At least you know I haven’t changed my views on weight in 10 years. It was the changing paradigm on weight that led me away from the fitness space. I regard movement as a positive. But everyone wants to lose weight.
Yeah - I remember you were wildly in favor of healthy weight and then did a full 180. Consistency is key but I haven't changed my views either.. so no point in redoing this one.
I consider it an advantage that I’ve lived on both sides. And it’s not a positive to remain in the wrong for the sake of consistency. BTW, the 180 didn’t come overnight. I initially considered the weight neutral perspective a threat to my livelihood and a blow to my pride.
Perhaps their lipoprotein was high which is not usually checked and for which there is currently no medication to reduce it.
But unhealthy food does more than make us fat. It can impact brain health, create issues that are residual in impact, hamper quality of life etc My obese grandmother lived to 84 but really stopped living in her 50's. Maybe even before that. I do agree with you 100% on the fact that we are chronically over medicated
Though slender and active my LDL has always been “high.” I share that profile with my grandmother and mother who lived to 92 and 85 respectively. The last time I had a regular doctor, it’s been four years now, he recommended that I go on statins. He cited a study that suggested that, without statins I had an 11% chance of having a heart attack over the next ten years. I asked what my risk factor would be WITH the statins based on the study. 8%
That's a 37.5% increase. That's somewhat like saying the risk of having one in 10 years vs. the risk of having one in 13.75 years (or 7.27 years vs. 10 years). Go GATORS! ,WESGATORS
Also factor in family history … 11% vs 8%: An 11% risk indicates a higher probability of experiencing a heart attack within the next 10 years compared to an 8% risk. This translates to a higher chance of having a heart attack, with 11 out of 100 people in the 11% risk group expected to experience a heart attack, compared to 8 out of 100 in the 8% risk group.
