Jury rules against Project Veritas

Interesting. Not a fan of PV, but I'm also not sure where the line is between undercover investigations and fraud.

 

This is a tough one. I mean is it really different than TV shows pretending to be something else for entertainment?

Chris Hanson made a living off of it

 

Yeah. The article suggests that there was a fiduciary duty in this case. Would want to know more about that.

 

O'Keefe has apparently resigned

 

Well if it’s an entertainment show, people sign releases.
If it’s Chris Hanson, he is working directly with the police.

 

Project Veritas back in litigation, this time as plaintiff, against wonderful person James O’Keefe. Lest anyone think PV has principled objection to grift and abuse of female employees, a concern which would violate that organization’s principles, I suspect they are far more motivated to obtain an injunction to keep him from revealing behind the scenes PV machinations


The board heard that O’Keefe “particularly targeted female employees with mean-spirited comments about their lack of contributions to the companies and inappropriate comments about personal situations like pregnancies,” according to the suit.

“Other employees alleged that they personally had observed obscene messages between O’Keefe and various women on social media applications when accessing O’Keefe’s phone for work-related matters.”



O’Keefe is accused of using his company credit card to pay for personal helicopter flights and more than $150,000 in private car services over 18 months, often having drivers wait outside restaurants for hours. His employees told the board he made them run errands unrelated to work, like doing his laundry and cleaning and repairing his boat, according to the suit.

The suit, which seeks unspecified damages and that O’Keefe be prohibited from disclosing confidential company information, among other demands, alleges he poached employees on his way out the door for his new rival venture, O’Keefe Media Group, stole donor lists and equipment and rebranded unpublished filmed material.



Project Veritas sues its ousted founder James O’Keefe alleging he misused funds, belittled employees
Project Veritas sues its ousted founder James O’Keefe alleging he misused funds, belittled employees - Tampa Bay Times

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Finding out the truth is hard to figure out without pretending to be someone else, in many cases. Does that pretense really nullify these crimes that they uncover? I view them more like whistle blowers than anything else.

Our CIA make s a living doing this exact same thing.

 

This is opposite tack that many defenders of Trump take, often claiming that the real criminals are the leakers and whistleblowers.

 

Maybe not, but I wonder if the SCOTUS used their undercover work to reverse Roe v Wade on what we all saw unfold in their undercover work about how the sale of fetus matter. Whcih turned into a "cottage" industry after the unborn were aborted... And, although that particular story was about the connection to Planned Parenthood... it still gave us positive results.
Someone is watching that show and we all know what the SCOTUS did when they had the chance to make a positive difference to save the unborn from being murdered. Yes, this is related to this article... regardless of the financial minutia.

 

You can't possibly be serious here. One anonymous whistleblower's characterization of Trump's telephone call to Urkaine buttressed a witch hunt lynch mob partisan impeachment, and (s)he was held up to be a hero by the Left.

IRS whistleblowers, the former left leaning whistleblowers who exposed the Government's involvement in (manipulation of) big tech, the whistleblowers who exposed the inter workings of Biden Corruption, Inc.... all, vilified as criminals, and discredited as partisan hacks, because they dare testify against the sacred Leftist Orthodoxy...

 

We heard the call. No interpretation was necessary.

 

If you are suggesting that each side is more willing to defend those that leak the wrongs of the other, I will of course agree.

My only claim here is that Rick is going quite against President Trump’s usual refrain regarding the tension between the actual crimes and the method used to uncover them. And Trump’s war on leakers went way beyond just the Ukraine call.

To Trump, ‘Leakers Are Traitors and Cowards,’ and He Wants to Find Them (Published 2019)

 

You heard what you wanted to hear.

....and read what you wanted to read (eg--conveniently omitted mention of the IRS, Biden Inc, and Big Tech Inc WB's, who are ostracized as persona non grata. For standing up for truth).

 

Couldn't read your linked article, but I suppose it cuts a little both ways. But Trump is just one guy.

In contrsst, *The Left* orthodoxy covers such a vast conglomerate of power wielders, it's beyond disturbing--it's terrifying to the core.

Truth has ZERO chance, when ALL the gate keepers are in the tank for the same tyrannical, authoritarian side.

MSM. Academia (where knowledge was once the antidote of misinformation, is now but another mouthpiece of progressive orthodoxy). DOJ. FBI. CIA. ...

ALL, singing in perfect harmony.

Trump may be an ugly, orange, warted, toad, but he represents the last bastion of resistance against this organized conglomerate of orthodoxy.

(In case you wonder about his staying power, and it's continued growth with every new attack...).

 

It was indeed a link about Trump specifically, but the sentiment was definitely echoed on this forum. I personally am a bit agnostic on the issue, as I do think government crimes should be exposed, but I hardly think we should be empowering all employees to use their own judgement regarding when this should occur.

As for your second point about the difficulty in determining truth, I think there are few topics more important today. I view some of your criticism as warranted. eg the lack of conservative view points in academia likely skews the results of some of this scholarship. I also think it would be tough to know when a truth-seeking institution is operating optimally, as the same bias that threatens the scholarship would also threaten the assessment of the scholarship. If we can’t trust academia to shoot strait because it is predominantly liberal, then we could hardly trust the conclusions of the conservative community regarding academia either.

The problem of how can we know the truth has vexed humanity for thousands of years, but I do think that if one finds a source or a person that always makes favorable judgements to the same political side, this source should not be viewed as a reliable window to truth. Instead, I believe we need dispersed institutions that embody true intellectual diversity. This is certainly not a view shared by Trump. I think if it were up to him, he would indeed create such a monolithic knowledge creating ecosystem as you describe, just skewed toward his own viewpoints.

 

Solid stuff 'rade. I think you downplay the threat ftom the left and overplay the threat posed by Trump (and I'm sure you think the same of me in reverse...), but at least you acknowledge the threat. I'll take that from across the aisle, specially around these parts.

 

I appreciate it 92. I am sure my views are flawed, but I am always working to improve them.

Just one note on my views on the threat posed by Trump. I wrote this is what Trump would do if it were up to him. Thankfully, the way our knowledge progresses it is not up to him or any single individual. If he is elected President again, a distinct possibility, I am sure we will come through it, as we have with all the other flawed individuals who have assumed the high office before him.