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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by mocgator, Aug 6, 2013.
I wonder what exactly was their criteria. Shouldn't it be all about the people?
Core Charleston may have...that is where all the college students, artists, gays and Northeast libbie transplants live (where all the Obama restaurant jobs are being added)...but the suburbs and SC went overwhelmingly for Romney.
With talk like that, its no wonder the Charleston suburbs aren't on the list of friendliest suburbs.
Being to two places you consider liberal and 3 or 4 large cities you consider conservative and then thinking back to consider their helpfulness isn't exactly the epitome of science, Real. I'd just do a bit more research before you consider something truth. Neither are these bizarre little correlations, like the one in the OP, that get brought to the board all the time.
Moc hates liberals. Just hates them. He will find evidence that they are evil, stupid, hypocritical, and mean anywhere he looks. I must have seen hundreds of his threads on GC, and I can't recall one that touted any aspect, any one at all, of liberals. If you've had hundreds of thoughts of someone, and you can't think of one, single positive thing to say, know at least one thing about your analysis of the person: you are not searching for truth.
how about the entire county? who'd it vote for?
I would say Obama by a nose. If you look at the high concentration of AA voters and where they live in the state, Charleston would be included, probably 30% AA. And they had high turnout and we all know why.
My Father was my best friend and best man at my wedding. He was a Massachusetts liberal. (although he didn't live his life like one) We had great debates. He was everything to me. And he was a liberal.
I hate liberalism. I hate stateism. It's slavery. It is anti-human. It leads to the death of many any and every time it's fully implemented. I don't hate Nancy Pelosi... I hate every last little thing she stands for. I hate that slimy politicians holds so much dominion over all of us. I hate that my life and freedom is diminished everyday so politicians can get votes by bartering for them with my earnings.
I hate liberalism. And I will do my little best to fight it, speak against it, and teach my kids to abhor it for it's complete lack of virtue and morality.
I don't mean to indicate that you are incapable of caring for someone who happens to be a liberal (In fact, I am glad to find out that this isn't true for you). And I don't even mind that you hate liberalism. Passion for doing what you think is right is admirable.
What I am trying to say is that your hatred for the ideology is so strong that it is highly unlikely that you are ever viewing these people without bias. You saw a list of a subjective ranking of least friendliest cities, noticed some of the top ones had liberal leaders, and then insinuated that liberalism causes people to be mean. That's crazy. If I showed you a list of "happiest" or "nicest" countries that had slimy, enslaving Scandinavian countries toward the top (as they often do), you'd likely assume that the ranking is biased or it is a coincidence. But when you see a coincidence that fits your very ardent worldview, you see the truth. See what I am saying?
We all have biases, moc, and the more passionate we become, the stronger these biases become. This isn't a problem when it comes to sports, where there is little damage done if Danny Wuerffel isn't actually better than Charlie Ward. However, if you infuse this bias into Pelosi or row, it can hurt you. Sometimes these people are on the side of your beloved freedom, and your conservatives are not. It may be less likely than the reverse, but if you never see it this way, you are definitely making mistakes.
Of course they do. If they didn't a Conde Nast reader survey wouldn't be meaningful proof of which cities are the friendliest and unfriendliest.
no southern cities I see
Both have smelly taxi drivers.
This is an odd city. Southern culture is generally very nice people. Whenever I take trips to GA I'm amazed at how nice everyone is. That being said Charleston is 41% black and a somewhat large city (by the south standards). I am not surprised it barely voted for Obama.
It's friendly status is more to do with southern culture than its left voting base. But you are correct that some of the other cities on that list has less to do with being liberal cities than just the culture there.
YEP!! Every time someone cuts me off, I yell "Democratic jerk!" No matter what the bumper sticker states. :roll:
This is wbg's point. You can't assume causation from a simple correlation when it fits your narrative, and then use theory to explain away correlations that do not. If we are allowed to do that, we can invent any pattern.
IMO Southern hospitality derives from 2 items in our heritage
1) The agrarian past. Be a good neighbor and help out because one day it may be you that needs the help. When people are far apart, it's important to be nice to those around you.
2) The Scottish culture of honor has been handed down in the south (the book Outliers documented this very well.) The Culture of honor requires respect, which is what hospitality is at its core.
A city like Newark or New Haven will not have either of these items present.
Some may trace friendliness to being conservative but in my experience in SC (I've lived here since graduation from UF) blacks are just as friendly as whites- and they vote overwhelmingly democratic.
It is more of a cultural thing than a political thing. The remnants of "honor culture" may have something to do with it, but part of the "honor culture" was also retributive violence. So, if some traces of this remain, its not completely positive.
It is capitalists like me that visit world class cities, spend money and help keep them world class cities.
I will be there Wednesday. Looking forward to it.