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  1. I'm a conservative and I like soccer

    43.6%
  2. I'm a conservative and I don't like soccer

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  3. I'm a liberal and I like soccer

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  4. I'm a liberal and I don't like soccer

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    Altidore was surely missed. Hopefully with some time to prepare, the US will be able to plan for Altidore's absence.

    Ya' never know with hammy's. Hopefully, they won't have to deal with his absence.

    Wait....didn't his sub score that last goal?

    EDIT: nevermind...that was Bessler's replacement. (who btw, went out with hammy issues as well; hopefully just cramps due to heat/humidity).
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    While we're at it, kudos to our servicemen overseas, especially those in Germany. Nice work gentlemen.

    [​IMG]

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/us-world-cup-roster-has-german-flavor
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    ^^^yeah, I had heard about that. Strikes me as a bit...odd....that he targets players based on pedigree, rather than merit/talent, on the field.

    So damn....German of him...and just a tad...shall we say, 'not so American'.

    But hey...I'm not going to dwell on it. I'm behind the K Man.

    As long as he's winning.

    If not...then I'll call for his head.

    (I kid...).

    Go US!!
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    That was a solid match, but the middle 80 minutes of it are why, fair or foul, Americans have never gotten caught up in soccer I think. But what a finish, redemption on the corner kick, a fine header. Hope that gets the WC bandwagon rolling a little earlier this time. Germany probably going to feed us our nuts, but if we get at least a point out of Portugal we'll go through, or should.
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    According to the story, Bradley (the father/coach) started it. Oh, and they have talent, probably more than most of their domestic counterparts, which is why he targets them. Brooks is one of them. And Green is already with the second team at Bayern (i.e. No Slouch) and Germany wanted him to declare for their NT and he chose us instead (my guess, quid pro quo for being added to this year's roster).
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    Just not by our own astronomical standards.

    Bars across the nation have been stacked, wall to wall, with fans--especially for yesterday's game.

    New York, Chicago, California, Kansas, Seattle...all over the place, huge gatherings of fans--to say nothing of the TV ratings....and the US has one of the best fan showings in Brazil.

    ....and we came in ranked 13th in the World.

    We ARE caught up; we have already surpassed UK, Mexico, and several other soccer powers.

    We're just not dominant. Yet.

    (OK, our domestic league isn't quite where most soccer powers are; I'll grant you that much--but in international play, we has arrived).

    JMHO.
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    Elaboration/follow up:

    Several of the Potential scenarios:

    Current points: Germ. 3, US 3, Gha 0, Port 0.
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    US beats port; Germ. beats Gha:

    Germ. 6, US 6, Port. 0, Gha 0

    US and Germ. advance (regardless of what transpires in 3rd round)
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    US loses to port; Germ. loses to Gha:

    Germ 3, US 3, Port 3, Gha 3

    US beats Germ, Port beats Gha

    US 6, Port 6, Germ 3, Gha 3

    US and Port'l advance.
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    US loses to port; Germ. beats Gha:

    Germ 6, US 3, Port 3, Gha 0

    US beats Germ, Port beats Gha

    Germ. 6, US 6, Port 6, Gha 0--Point diff'l decides.
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    US loses to port; Germ. loses to Gha:

    Germ 3, US 3, Port 3, Gha 3

    US loses to Germ, Port loses to Gha

    Germ 6, Gha 6, US 3, Port 3

    Germ and Gha advance
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    US ties port; Germ. ties to Gha:

    Germ 4, US 4, Port 1, Gha 1

    US beats Germ, Port beats Gha

    US 6, Germ 4, Port 4, Gha 1

    US and Germ. advance.
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    US ties port; Germ. ties to Gha:

    Germ 4, US 4, Port 1, Gha 1

    US ties Germ, Port ties Gha

    US 5, Germ 5, Port 2, Gha 2

    US and Germ. advance.
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    US ties port; Germ. ties to Gha:

    Germ 4, US 4, Port 1, Gha 1

    US ties Germ, Port beats Gha

    US 5, Germ 5, Port 4, Gha 1

    US and Germ. advance.
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    US loses to port; Germ. ties to Gha:

    Germ 4, US 3, Port 3, Gha 1

    US ties Germ, Port beats Gha

    Port 6, Germ 5, US 4, Gha 1

    Port and Germ. advance.
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    US loses to port; Germ. loses to Gha:

    Germ 3, US 3, Port 3, Gha 3

    US ties Germ, Port ties Gha

    US 4, Germ 4, Port 4, Gha 4

    Goal differential decides.
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    These are most of the scenarios, anyway. There are others...

    But, mathematically, even the possibility of Ghana and Port'l advancing, remains in play.
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    I think it was Thomas Rongen who did the grunt work, basically, he was given the task by US soccer of coming up with a master list of dual-nationality players, there were something like 200+ world wide eligible to play for us. Jurgen's main ability has been to persuade a lot of those players to represent the US or switch "official" nationalities.
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    Thanks.

    Ya think (Jergen as recruiter)? They were saying something last night about one of these kids (may be Brooks) growing up watching Jergen at Bayern.

    FWIW, Germany does it too. Boateng's brother plays for Germany.
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    I don't necessarily have a problem with it; just think it's not the typical American way--it's very German. We're 'the melting pot'; 'the land of the free, home of the brave'; we're all about it doesn't matter where you came from, or who your parents were, but what you can do, and do, do. (Germans are the one's hung up on all that racial purity stuff, and such).

    Meh...whatever works.

    Seems to me, our last couple of WC rounds, we tried emulating our English cousins, and our results were very.... English. Everybody even got all excited over a TIE, with England.

    ...as if they were better than us.

    Although I favor the Spanish style, then the South Am. style, I respect the German style tremendously--and believe it fits us (the US) better.

    So, hey...I'm all in.
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    Yeah, the Germans have their Turks and Africans. Everyone does it. Now, if we could persuade this striker Shawn Parker to switch that would be nice. So far the Germans have made it so that he cant even talk to our scouts or reps, so there's always a behind the scenes battle, kind of like college football recruiting.
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    Not sure I really understand your contention here. Yes, we are a melting pot and we welcome all Americans to the team (they are, afterall, citizens), especially if they bring something (the kind of talent that comes with playing from a very young age) that we can use. Further, most of these guys are of mixed race.
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    Don't they only get to declare once? Has he declared yet?

    Jeeze, and such an American name. ;)
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    You can play for a youth team and still switch. You can play in friendlies and still switch. But once you play in a full competition (World Cup including qualifying, Euros, Gold Cup, etc.), you are cap-tied, meaning you can't switch. Don't think Parker is cap-tied yet, but I'm not sure.
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    What the hell are youtalking about? Jurgen is targeting TALENT, not German bloodlines. Has it ever occurred to you that the reason they are generally all German-American is because of the number of servicemen that end up in Germany and marry German wives? And if you have a German parent you're likely to be interested in soccer?

    All of these players are good. Many are young and Jurgen is trying to lock them in for the future. None of them are liable to be top 10 players in the world though as they would have stuck with Germany which would provide a better shot at advancement and a title.
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    Until you are capped at the senior level in an official FIFA event, then you can still file a one time change of nationality if you represented another country at youth level. Jones had a few caps for Germany, but they were all in friendlies. Brooks technically could have played for Germany until last night, as he had only been capped in friendlies. Chandler was in a similar situation until the WC qualifiers where he became cap tied to the US. Green played for German youth teams and he filed the switch of nationalities, so even though he has only played friendlies, he can never play for Germany.
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    Parker isnt cap tied until he plays a senior FIFA match. He's only represented Germany, so he could file a one-time nationality switch until that point. I believe he's played FIFA youth tournements, so the US cant call him up unless he files that paper work. I think this is the same reason Green had to file, even though he hadnt been capped by Germany at the senior level.
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    In response http://api.viglink.com/api/click?fo...g/2014/6/7/why-i-hate-the-wall-street-journal
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    ....and....

    Didn't mean to suggest Klinsmann was targeting German American players at the expense of talent--just said it struck me a bit odd that he was overtly, expressly, targeting German-Americans, as that is what I had heard--(or perhaps even read somewhere)--and I thought it was confirmed with CHF's article--which I confess, I didn't open, just glanced at it, and it reminded me of whatever documentary or article I had heard/read that from.

    ...as it turns out, that's not even the case. Due to his popularity in Germany, many of these players have expressed interest in taking on dual-citizenship, to play for him--or responded affirmatively, when he expressed interest in them (and he's also targeted Mexican, Scandinavian, and other players as well):

    Youth coach Thomas Rongen told the New York Times in 2011 that it's just a coincidence that more German-Americans are committing to the U.S. now that Klinsmann's coach.


    Indeed, Klinsmann has been aggressive in pursuing dual-nationals from Mexico and Scandinavia and anywhere else where you can find a good soccer player with an American passport.


    Clearly Klinsmann's celebrity status in Germany — as well as his boundless enthusiasm — are an asset when recruiting German-Americans. But these charms are helpful no matter where a player is from, and it just so happens that the largest concentration of U.S.-eligible players in Europe is in Germany.

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/germans-on-us-world-cup-team-2014-5#ixzz34vdabk1v

    My apologies for any confusion I may have caused, due to erroneous information I relied on, and erroneous inferences I drew from it.
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    Yeah, we got Johannson and Mix Diskerud to commit to the US too, as well as Joe Corona. I do think Jurgen does carry some extra weight with the Germans, but I think he's just an awesome recruiter. We have yet to lose a big recruiting battle, like the Rossi & Subotic affairs, but I dont know how much of that is down to the head coach. If Jurgen lands Gideon Zelalem or Parker that would be pretty huge.
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