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Discussion in 'Swamp Gas' started by iwannaperfectseason, Feb 15, 2014.
PSU thought the same thing.
And PSU's failure to take action did not result in a competitive advantage on the field for them. Can we say the same thing in the case if FSU?
Perhaps she did not do this because, according to the TPD report (grain of salt needed here, of course) she stated both after the initial hospital visit and again after her second meeting with TPD the next day that she did not want to press charges. Remember, she also did not (initially) want to call either the police or her parents. (Her friends did both) I have no idea why she would not want to press charges or notify her parents. I do believe that SHE believes that she was raped. What I don't know (and can't know, based on the info provided) is if she actually was raped.
In the grand scheme of things, vacated wins are meaningless. The games already happened, no one is actually punished, except maybe superfans who can no longer point to things like bowl win streaks or some such. Reduction of scholarships, bowl bans, tv bans, these things actually affect a program. Vacated wins have no teeth.
You must be pretty new here?
I couldn't agree more. vacated victories punishments are like sending a kid to his room for timeout, where he has an HDTV, playstation, and his own computer.
Regardless of what happened that night, based on the information we have, someone needs to drop the hammer on TPD. The effort they put in their "investigation" was disturbing to say the least. A rape was reported, and they seemed to treat it like a reported stolen wallet.
TPD actually treated this worse than a stolen wallet... in which case they'd most likely just ignore the crime completely, but if they had a suspect (not on the team), they'd probably track him down.
In this case, they investigated the victim, while completely ignoring the crime and the known suspect and the known witnesses and the known crime scenes.
That's a level of intentional miscarriage of justice that is impossible to rationalize. Pure corruption.
All fine and dandy, and fair game for arguing in closing. At trial. ...or before whatever tribunal presiding over whatever hearing on whatever matter is finally brought before such, after these extremely serious allegations--not just the rape, but how it was handled--by TPD, and FSU-- have been properly investigated (by parties not tainted with conflict of interest, or otherwise have a dog in the fight).
Crickets chirping... That's the sound of any point you supposedly made.
Meggs's age is not an issue. You don't just suddenly stop being loyal to your alma mater when you get old. Besides, Cappleman is in her mid-30s and the daughter of a former FSU QB and Angulo is in his early 30s. These corrupt fools took one for their team.
God's green earth won't save FSU from the NCAA when the truth is revealed.
Vacated wins mean no national championship... just like it did for USCw.
It shouldn't be the only punishment if the university is found to be complicit in protecting a rapist (or intentionally turning a blind eye and pleading ignorance) to win football games... but it means something.
FSU now has as many NC's and Heisman winners as UF...to achieve that they'd have sold their Mothers to the devil
Just give me the truth.
And the typical ignorant nole comment. Anything to keep that trophy from being tainted.
Apparently coleg hasn't read what the victim's attorney said (in addition to hiring the Title IX attorneys):
The attorney for Jameis Winston's alleged rape victim said she "absolutely" plans to file a civil lawsuit against the Florida State University star quarterback and the Tallahassee Police Department.
"I want heads to roll," Pat Carroll, the attorney for the woman who claims Winston raped her in December 2012, told ABC News in an exclusive interview.
Carroll said the Tallahassee Police Department was negligent in handling her client's case against the 20-year-old Heisman Trophy winner. He claims the way police handled the allegations led to a prosecutor's decision to drop the case.
"Absolutely you're going to see a civil suit," Carroll said. "You can not have law enforcement that is not held accountable."
The last quote from the slip/fall queen refers to a suit against the TPD or perhaps the SA - not FSU. Yeah you just count on that happening. Almost unheard of to file because the bar for winning is nearly impossible. Go on believing everything an attorney may claim ( esp. out of court) they never mislead, lie, misrepresent or fabricate anything. As far as JW goes, the reason three has been no civil suit is because there isn't going to be one--- the girl is not credible. That was why the SA didn't press charges. Title IX- FSU may use the forensics of the TPD as it's basis of an investigation- largely to be certain that steps to avoid future incidents are in place. TPD report states the girl wanted the whole thing to stop. Wonder who got the TMZ check? One wonders if the tinfoil hats stay on by themselves or are they taped on?
So if you believe this, it must apply to Winston's attorney as well.
If you actually believe it.
Consent will be an affirmative defense for Winston to prove.
While I recognize this wouldn't be the first time an attorney stretched the truth, the victim's attorney was unequivocal. She didn't leave any wiggle room in her language as attorneys often do.
And the facts in this case wrt TPD's actions speak for themselves. I don't know to what extent civil lawsuits can hold police departments accountable for their actions, but I do know TPD is going to look like an agency of the FSU football program working to protect an accused rapist that is part of that program, rather than protecting and serving the citizens of Tallahassee.
Excuse me. Are you inadvertently replying to my post? I see zero connection with my simple query and your diatribe here. What gives?