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Wilbekin's shot

Discussion in 'Nuttin' but Net' started by deathroll, Feb 5, 2014.

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    Guy gets much deserved praise for his defense and, to a lesser extent, his ability to drive and finish but (in my opinion at least) not enough for his outside shot. Anybody know what he's shooting from beyond the arc? Seems to me, Wilbekin always makes a couple of 3s before Frazier finds the range and takes over the outside shot duties. I like Scottie's shot; he's solid. I'd like to see him pull the trigger more often.
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    From KenPom:
    38.4% from 3
    38.9% inside the arc
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    Solid. I'll take Scottie. The balls.
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    I would love to see him take a couple more shots to stretch the D out. His shot fake is starting to get a little excessive, I wish he would catch and shoot a little more to mix it up
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    what would Coach Knight say?
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    Scottie is especially deadly when he has time to spot-up and is true to his form. The shots he misses, he is often drifting away.
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    Frazier and Scottie are the 2 guys on the team right now with really good shooting form. Everyone else has some weaknesses.
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    Hill has good form..just not great aim lol
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    How good or bad is 38.4%? I'm guessing it's second best on our team (behind Frazier and ahead of Finney-Smith). What's considered a good percentage? What's considered great?
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    IMO anything above 35% means a "solid" 3pt threat. Around 38% is "very good" and above 40 is elite. I made these numbers up in my head, just now. DFS is third on the team right now at 34.8% and I would say he is a solid 3 pt threat.
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    Eww actually, DFS is at 32.4%. So not so solid. Casey Prather, at 1 for 3 on the season, is actually our 3rd best.
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    Well, 33.3% from 3-point land is the equivalent of 50% from 2 point land, and 50% from 2-point land is pretty good, so anything above 33% from 3-point land is quite good. As Bradass noted, 38% is very good (equivalent to 57% on 2-points), and anything over 40% is really, really good and causes great problems for the opponents (40% = 60% on 2-pointers, and Frazier's 45% equals 68% on 2-pointers). DFS was shooting about 35% early, but appears to have tailed off a bit recently. Of course Boynton, who missed more 3-point shots than any other player in Gator, or probably any team's history because he shot far more than anyone else, even Rosario and Murphy and Irv Walker, hit 32% his senior year.
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    Kasey Hill does not get his legs into his outside shot, including his free throws. If you don't generate a lot of energy from your legs, you are not going to shoot a soft shot. Finney-Smith releases his shot from his right ear, like Chandler Parsons used to do before he started shooting well. If you release your shot from off of your right ear, you are going to miss your shot to the right unless you compensate by angling your shot to the left. That is not good form. The shot should be released from the top center of your forehead. These are just my observations.
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    Wilbekin just got some love from Jimmy Dykes and Reece Davis during the LSU/Gawja game. They said he deserves to be in the conversation of some of the best PGs and that he has been underrated, though I don't believe they were specific about by whom. I'm amazed at the progress Scottie has made. He's been a little quiet the last couple games, but his FT shooting has improved drastically. We're lucky to have such a solid leader on the floor.
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    Good observations Jack. Very close.

    Perfect textbook form has the release to the right side of the head. Not drastically to the right, but to the right.

    Think about it. If you are shooting with your right arm, it's on your right side of the body.

    Watch Jordan, Ray Allen, Kyle Korver (best 3 pointer shooter in NBA)...all the great shooters shoot on their right side....slightly. Larry Bird was the most obvious.

    To get it directly at the top center, your arm has to move left to align. This is when players develop "chicken wing", which won't allow for proper backspin.

    You can even try this sitting at your computer....and you'll find the most comfortable slot on the right side above your head. It's where your arm naturally slots.

    This is also why great shooters, like Frazier, tilt their feet to the left. It aligns the body even better.
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    I am a lefty and have always shot the ball with my hand perpendicular to the floor but my release dead at the top/center of my forehead. If you chicken wing (like Davon Walker), your shooting hand will not be perpendicular to the floor. Shooting a basketball probably is my best skill, but each to his own. I will pay some attention to the better shooters to see where their shooting hand is upon release.
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    3 of 5 today against Bama; very timely shots too.
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    Although not as many as other games I still feel he is passing up some open shots he should be taking.
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    Scottie did hit some big shots in today's game. He's also passed up a handful of open looks in the last couple of games. Some of those are good decisions in which he drives and dishes. Some of them, though, appear a bit too unselfish when we need him to take a reasonable amount of perimeter shots. I'm not sure why, but he appears to be passing up more open looks in these recent games.

    Edit: Hall - you beat me to it! Didn't see your post.
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    And I am at a loss as to why he is doing it. He is second on the team, at over 38%, on three-pointers yet he will pass up a wide open shot only to see us settle for a harder shot later in the shot clock. Not always but it does happen.
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