Why President Obama Will Have To Delay His Health Insurance Mandate

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    After re-reading your post again, I have to agree THIS is a major question which the lefties in here--or anywhere else for that matter---will not answer, either because they have no legit response, or because they haven't found a way to spin it correctly yet.

    In either case, you hit the basic premise on the head--there is NO reason in a free country(which we USED to have here), should a person be forced to buy health coverage mandated by the govt. This happens ONLY in socialist countries, or is provided by in communist countries.

    Libs--where is your defense of gatorchamps0607 question??? Why is it none of you will step up and defend this basic premise? Please defend and justify, and then answer his question.
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    Of course...who cares if it's good policy or even works?
    We all need the illusion of money for nothing and chics for free.
    It's only a minor detail that those doesn't exist either.
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    Well, isn't that all the GOP was requesting?

    3 Cr's with everything funded but Obamacare. It's one year's budget.

    The article IMO, simply gives barry a clean 'out'.

    Hit the snooze button. Punt. Blame it on 'technical glitches'. Be done with it.

    Just one year. Let the fighting over the details resume during the next fiscal year--while the parties are campaigning for their seats.

    It's a common sense resolution--and again, it doesn't favor the GOP--but it is, what they want.

    Forcing Obamacare to trigger this year, imo, serves only to expose its design flaws--which should actually embolden efforts to repeal, not undermine them.

    So I really don't understand what the Dems are fighting for, other than and 'in your face', 'ha ha', 'screw-you, we got the power' stubborn pride.

    (note-the GOP already lost the fight-they're fighting for 2014. Never mind the polls of now vis a vis the govm't shutdown--that will be forgotten, as soon as this is resolved--but the impact of Obamacare will be ongoing, so it will take center stage with '14 midterms--in case your wondering why the GOP is gladly waging this battle).
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    ^ defunding Obamacare and delaying the mandate are two different things. The article you posted only mentions delaying the mandate which seems reasonable, but defunding Obamacare does not.

    Again though, if Obama has an offer to delay the mandate for a year and maintain the debt deal already agreed on, he should. Those are some big ifs though.
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    Has Obama offered that deal? I thought he and Harry shut down negotiates. He'll have discussions and preach to the House but has he "offered" to negotiate and listen to ... well ... offers?

    After reading the right-leaning media and listening the the rightie talking heads on Fox, CNN, and Gainesville's WSKY FM 97.3 .... I have a strong suspicion that the PotUS has been offered the individual mandate delay and medical device tax deal. And, I believe this was proffered over a week ago. I may be wrong but .... I may be correct. :nervous smile:
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    Yeah, there was a deal.

    Watch the video in the OP. Bohener says in no uncertain terms there was a negotiated deal well below (70 Billion) what the Republicans were asking but he reneged on their deal. It was the whole purpose of this thread to discuss that fact. But there was a debt deal already, yes.
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    Ok, I must either confess ignorance here, or disagree.

    I thought 'defunding' meant not authorizing the necessary funds for Obamacare, which would have be renewed every year until the law is repealed (like having to raise the debt ceiling, every time the ceiling is approached).

    Now I have heard talk of just delaying the individual mandate for a year--which could be done by exec. order (as with big biz)--but I understood that all the GOP was seeking was to defund it, by not authorizing the necessary funds for this budget.

    Please do correct me if I have this wrong.
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    ^^^indeed, I was confusing them.

    I'll have to dig a little deeper into the differences.

    Y'all have a great weekend.

    Go Gators!
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    I was informed by BCBS that my health insurance will be cancelled due to Obarrycare effective 12-31-13. The referred me to the state exchange for a new ACA compliant policy. I went on the California ACA exchange and asked for a quote and contact from an insurance company. That was a week ago. Still waiting.
    This is the big Obama LIE: "If you like your insurance policy you can keep it." Turns out if your current policy does not conform to the ACA requirements you cant keep it. This thing is an abortion.
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    no matter how bad it is or how few sign up-obama is too arrogant and full of himself to delay it
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    Not enrolled, they have just set up an account or at least some of the 51 k.
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    92, you have earned all of my respect today. We may have different ideologies but I respect your knowledge as your own thoughts (which I can't say I feel about most of my conservative friends). I've actually been pleasantly surprised by the forum considering the political weather. I peeked in thinking I would just check out the carnage but there has been some good discussion here.

    I've been in and out of Too Hot since it's inception but this might be the best flavor of it.
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    McAfee said it was a flawed design and coded in India on the "cheap" and 'stupid'.
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    We talking $650 million cheap?
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    It is in Gov speak, you know when somebody else is paying for it!
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    I wouldn't argue against that. My point is simply that Barry could avoid having the design flaw exposed (for now) by punting, and pushing it off for a year.

    It would be advantageous to his party in the long term.

    Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on one's vantage point), he's too stubborn, proud, dumb, and narcissistic to see that. :tongue:
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    Most of that money was extorted. He says it probably cost around a few million. No where need the 650+ million dollars that was stolen by the government to fund it.

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