"Why is the rich US in such poor health?"

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    One of the mind-blowing things for me was that we have the fifth highest social spending as a percentage of GDP. We always point to those socialist countries and talk about how highly they are taxed to pay for their medical systems, but we spend just as much as they do (and get much less for it).

    newscientist.com

    the actual report

    link from the article on social spending as a percent of GDP
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    For-Profit Health Care mixed with American stubbornness

    Want the freedom to be unhealthy, yet don't want to deal with the consequences

    There will be a tipping point at some point if Americans don't want to shape up and get serious about our health care spending

    Socialist endeavors are a by-product of the inability of the private sector to use its freedom responsibly
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    Americans are not, repeat: NOT in poor health. Americans are healthier than ever. Americans are living longer than ever. Active life expectancy is outstripping life expectancy. Cancer is down. And heart disease has been on the decline for decades.
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    Yet we keep getting fatter and fatter!!!! Sorry, but despite your claim Dreamliner, I don't think as a society we're in great health. Living longer on average you say, yes, but perhaps that is due to very expensive medical procedures to keep our obese selves going, by-pass anyone????
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    It is so sad to see people justify socialism...
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    it's so sad to see how people can't see that there is room for socialistic endeavors such as Single Payer health insurance in a capitalistic economy

    im not attached to the solution being from either the private or public, as long as it gets done
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    One can only arrive at this idea of collective consequence avoidance by bootstrapping it to the notion that Fred's poor health is or ought to be any burden, legally, on Susie the next town over. Whoever started that ball rolling is the one that created the buffering mess.
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    Perhaps the following:

    Over eating
    booze
    the excessive medical cost of all the things that we think we need to make us gorgeous and feel good.
    not enough exercise
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    How does a single payer health insurance system make people drive safer and eat healthier?
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    Why can't we let families, charities and communities take care of those without means?

    Why does it require socialism?

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    It doesn't. But for people like 108 forcing another to provide for them is not greedy, wrong, immoral etc etc etc...It is just something that is required. 108's family, chirch, community should bot be part of the solution. So we now have a beauracratic mess that cannot teach responsibility and more dependence on the almighty government..

    Just SAD!
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    it doesn't, but it can reduce the cost of health care quite dramatically

    but any health plan could create incentives for both
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    This is not exactly an evidence-based argument. For one thing, what 'very expensive medical procedures' are keeping Americans alive that are not also keeping people in the rest of the world alive ?
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    Americans live longer, yet fell from 20th to 27th in longevity in the world.

    We live longer, but don't live all of that in healthy condition.

    Feel free to google it Dream.
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    I did. Cancer down. Heart disease down. Active life expectancy up. No use being butt-hurt just because, in the process of getting healthier and healthier, there are other countries that are healthier still.
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    That would be Reagan.
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    Dream,


    Americans are no longer the fattest people on the planet. Mexico took the top spot from us.

    But we try harder. 27th place isn't exactly the lead dog. Neither is second fattest.
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    What is this, a race ?

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