Why does the Left hate homeschooling

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    It seem the US Government is becoming the biggest cult in world history. Why so much hate from the left for homeschooling? You see it very clearly in NJ, which isn't a surprise given the gargantuan size of the teachers union here.

    Sad story of a homeschooling Germany family and their treatment by US authorities of late.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/368245/dont-destroy-family-kevin-d-williamson

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    The institutional Left hates homeschooling, hates it with a remarkable intensity, even though homeschooling recently has come into vogue with a certain subset of Park Slope–style progressives. Robin West of Georgetown’s law school haswritten admiringly of the suppression of homeschooling and regimes under which “parents who did so were criminals.” She writes that homeschoolers are dangerous precisely because of the fact that, far from being docile sheep, homeschoolers are as adults more likely to be politically engaged, which Professor West worries might “undermine, limit, or destroy state functions that interfere with family and parental rights.” For good measure, she notes that many homeschoolers were enthusiastic about George W. Bush in 2000 — quelle horreur. Many others on the left argue that homeschooling should be either banned outright or effectively regulated out of existence.

    Homeschooling terrifies the Left because the Left is at its core totalitarian, seeking to bring political discipline to every aspect of life — and control of education is essential to that project. The public school is in miniature what the Left believes the world should look like: Everybody arranged in orderly rows and moving about on an orderly schedule punctuated by bells, being taught about diversity and climate change by nice union ladies who also lead them to their federally subsidized lunches. If you can say “no” to that, you can say no to any part of the Left’s vision. Homeschooling is an existential threat to the privileged position of the institutional Left. The schools are the factory in which it manufactures its future clients.

    Of course it doesn’t help that homeschooling is associated in the public mind with a particular strain of Evangelical Christianity, as in the case of the Romeike family. It is distasteful, but it should not be a surprise that the Obama administration has no objection to the political and religious suppression of such unruly Christians — the Obama administration is doing the same thing to the Little Sisters of the Poor and other Christian groups that it finds inconvenient.

    In the case of the Romeike family, a judge already had seen fit to offer them asylum, but the Obama administration wants to hand them over to the Germans. In the case of the Wunderlich family, a fundamental human right — the right to move away, which is enshrined in German law — is being grossly violated. The Germans, of all people, should appreciate that walling in people who want to leave is uncivilized. The Obama administration has an opportunity to make a statement on both cases by dropping its assault on the Romeikes. Don’t let’s be beastly to the Germans.
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    Up here in wheat-germ Subaru land where everyone wears Birkenstocks, folks seek to like home schooling. Particularly the really crunchy neighborhoods.
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    I could not care less about homeschooling, but I also don't see a compelling reason to grant political asylum to people purely for the reason that their nation of origin doesn't allow home schooling.
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    Why don't they just move to Mexico and then cross the border. That way, Obama will make them citizens.
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    Even though neither side sees it, there is VERY little difference between the far Right and the far Left. BOTH are totalitarian. They BOTH want to control our lives and tell us how to live. They just focus on different aspects, but the end result is the same. The funny thing is, most "progressives" consider themselves to be oh, so tolerant and open minded, when the reality is just the opposite.
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    i don't hate homeschooling. and i find it hard to believe that teacher's unions would hate homeschooling, because it's not as if there would ever be enough homeschooling to cut into public schools.

    because, you know, in most cases....both parents have to work to provide a decent living/pay bills.
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    it's just a shame because we had a damn good public school system when most of us were still utilizing it. it's a shame we've let it down so badly.
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    Why does the left hate homeschooling? 2 reasons and it is real simple:

    1. No opportunity for indoctrination.
    2. Less opportunity for money laundering. (Less jobs for teachers meaning less union dues, meaning less contributions to democratic party)
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    Eff the left! They hate the American way of life too.
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    I think some of silliest stuff here is to make up something about the other side and pretend it's true. And it gets even worse when you make up the reasons that it allegedly thinks that way.
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    Somehow, I doubt this would be such a cause celebre on the right if these were German Turks who wanted to homeschool their kids with a traditional Islamic education.
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    Well, I would defer to your vast experience in doing such...
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    Isn't that obviously? (regarding to the thread question)
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    I'm not sure of that. When you look at test scores and drug usage nationwide among high schoolers, things hit bottom in the late 70's/early 80's.
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    Now that was a good one.
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    obsama would be throwing out the red carpet for them if this were the case. They would be given asylum and a federal subsidy on top of it.
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    This is just another in a long line of right wing made up controversies.
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    One may opine that the issue is over-hyped - as many issues are on both sides - but it is wrong to say that it is "made up." Even putting aside the homeschooling aspect, I have experience dealing with local school board and state departments concerning how private school students are treated, scored, and placed when moving to public schools. In order for junior high students to obtain HS credit for certain courses, those students are required to take End of Course (EOC) exams. For the kids in public junior high, those exams are given at end of the course to which they apply or shortly thereafter during the summer or start of Freshman year. However, the private school kids who completed the same courses had to wait until later in Freshman year to take the same exams. Our private school is K-8. Most graduates have passed Algebra (7th grade), Biology, and many also Geometry. By the time these private school kids were offered the EOC exams, they had been done with that class as much as more than a year and a half prior. Moreover, they would be held back having to re-take these courses until they passed the EOC. Fortunately, we rec'd help from state legisl to put pressure on the local board and the private school kids can now take EOC at or about the same time as administered to public school kids.

    Another example related to how local board assesses test scores for applicants to the IB program. For the public school kids, they use the FCAT as one component. Per law, private schools cannot administer the FCAT to their students and have to administer other standardized tests (ERB, Iowa, etc.). The ERB is much more challenging than FCAT. Thus the comparison is not apples to apples. Although they won't admit it, there are clear reasons why they want more public school kids in the IB program - makes their junior high look better and the IB/public school kids have a weaker competition during HS. And that has been demonstrated very clearly over the last few years when private school kids dominate the top of the class rankings - sometimes 8 of the top 10.

    Thus, I concede there is a debate as to degree of this nefariousness, but it does exist. The public schools are very protective of their turf and funding - anything they can do to make themselves look better (or make homeschooling and private schools look worse), they will follow that path.
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    Actually, SAT stores declined to the point that the test was renormed in 1996. Those of you who took the test before '96 would have scored 25 to 50 points higher today with the same performance.

    Teachers unions generally oppose home schooling for two reasons:

    1) They must promote themselves as the "professional certified" teachers because they look bad when parents do a better job of teaching their children that the public schools do.

    2) Many school districts do allocate funding based on number of admissions per school. So even though someone choosing to homeschool does not affect the local tax base, it may affect funds allocated.
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    Right up there with fast and furious, Benghazi, IRS targeting, NSA and "keep your health insurance", right Fred. Maybe President Pinochio will have a beer summit with NEA President, Teachers Association President and work out a truce. All will be forgiven of the homeschoolers if they agree to:

    1. No Pledge of Allegiance
    2. Substitute "Allah" for God
    3. Participate in money laundering scheme to demos

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