Why do we want to shorten games?

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  1. Gatuar
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    3 years under Muschamp and dont forget Urban's final season under Addazio

    So we're going on our 4th year of terrible...unspeakable offense
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    Fun fact:

    Against Oklahoma in 2009, we had 11 total drives.

    Against Miami in 2013 we had 14 total drives.

    The philosophy is not what's preventing us from scoring points and winning games. The execution is.
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    The reason that I am so skeptical about the offense is that it isn't uniformly bad. Until we get a lead it is actually halfway decent. Then it gets shutdown and the players lose valuable live-fire practice time. Then when we have to score to win, we can't, we haven't had enough time practicing that kind of a thing.

    In the last two games before LSU, we scored a total of 38 points in the first halves (over a full game, good for 25th in the country in scoring offense), averaging 6.7 yards per play (good for 5th in the country if we did it over a full game). But in the second halves we scored a total of 16 points (117th), averaging 4.8 yards per play (112th).
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    This. Limiting possessions is one thing. Eating up large chunks of TOP because you can move the ball between the 20s repeatedly and bog down in the redzone with field goals and turnovers is completely another.

    Alabama and LSU won championships with defense first football and relying on the running game but they also relied on A. Dominant offensive lines and B. Offenses who were extremely efficient and great in the red zone.

    We have neither.
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    We have been much more efficient in the red zone under Murphy.

    Against LSU we only got there once, and got three out of it.
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    Yes, but our offense does nothing to wear down a defense.

    We don't force LBs to drop into coverage or run side to side much.

    We don't force the secondary to cover large distances either in coverage or chasing WRs down who are picking up YAC. We don't pass much at all so in general I bet the opposing secondary is pretty fresh out there. Our RBs rarely get to the secondary either to make them work. We don't seem to run combination routes that could force them into mental mistakes which would result in blown coverages. Essentially we don't force them to turn and retreat or work or think, we invite them in to swarm and attack us with everything happening right in front of them.

    Yes, also in general most teams keep in the same OL barring injury but its common practice to rotate fresh DL.

    Im sure our WRs get worn down from blocking so much. Espeically since its the same 3 guys over and over.

    And what about the mental aspect? All that beating and with little excitement in the form of big plays or long passes to incentivize and have something to show for the hard work. Nothing really to demoralize the defense.

    IMO its much more likely that we are tiring out ourselves than the defense. We played hard but not smart.
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    It does seem weird that there's this automatic assumption that only the defense gets tired. You never hear the TV blowhards talking about offensive fatigue.

    There is the argument that it's worse for defense because they have to chase those who already know their routes, so there's a little more effort, or that pass rushers have to exert a bit more energy than those blocking them (but we never present a consistent passing threat to our opponents anyway so screw that argument). For the most part I think the idea is much more bias than truth. It's used by those who want to pursue a particular offensive strategy (limiting possessions, field pos, TOP, etc) and justify it.

    If you look at the Miami game, it worked just the opposite. The cane defense did not get tired and worn down by our ball-hogging. They began stopping our drives more consistently in the 2nd half.
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    This is where I agree with you, and I said it in another thread. When it came down to it we really just didn't look confident in doing anything other than pounding the ball. When it came down to it, we weren't prepared to play from behind and score points where it was dire. But the protection troubles have a lot to do with it as well, More so than us not getting live-fire practice. IMo
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    I think the main reason has been poor philosophy/coaching/playcalling.
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    I think LSU could have put up 30+ if they really wanted to. They moved the ball at will when they wanted to score early on, gashing with the run, receivers getting open and making plays, etc. After those 14 points on 3 possessions, they beat us at our own game - by sitting on the ball. Plus they knew an 11 point lead felt more like a 28 point lead. They simply didn't need to throw the ball any more or score any more points for that matter. Did anyone really think that if we made it a game late that our D would've held them?
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    How can we be expected to be good at something we don't commit to -- spring, summer, practice and in-game? You really can't blame the OL for not doing something well that clearly isn't a priority to the people coaching them.
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    This sounds nice but it isn't true. We were within 1 score with 4 minutes left in the game.
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    Another problem I think we have is that we have to be basically perfect on offense. The #1 goal of our offense looks like it's "don't make a mistake and hurt the defense". Because we use so much clock and never have big plays, a turnover or even a false start penalty kills us. Maybe players starting to try too hard to make plays against Georgia and Miami could've led to more turnovers and more mistakes.
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    Poor philosophy/coaching doesn't get you an 11-2 football team. While the playcall can be a bit shaky at times, you just have to look at the circumstances.
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    Doesn't change the fact that they were confident in their D and sat on the ball - regardless of how close we were of tying it up. That would've been a monumental achievement if we were to muster a TD - and Miles knew it.
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    if your game is ball control and eating clock and you get down early like miami and lsu, the game is over---the offense is not built to score quick and come from behind.
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    Another interesting comparison to 2008:

    In the first 6 games of this year, we've averaged 12 (11.83) drives per game.

    In the first 6 games of 2008, we averaged 12 (12.33) drives per game.

    The notion that we're limiting our chances may not be as valid as our minds have convinced us.
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    This isn't a "fact," it's an assumption.
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    This is what worries me the most with our game plan. We aren't built to come from behind (or even a shootout) no matter who is at QB. Some may want us to be more like 'Bama in building this program, but I think a better goal would be to be more like LSU where you can win by scoring 40+ or win with scoring 17 where the game dictates how/when you need to score.
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    Well if you couldn't tell that from watching the game, that's cool.

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