Why did IG Report only go into Tea Party applications? Issa

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    Apparently, the IG was responding to Committee Chairman Issa's request to review only Tea Party and similar groups applications.

    "Revelations that the Internal Revenue Service targeted both progressive and conservative organizations seeking tax-exempt status has placed a critical light on the Treasury Department inspector general office, whose report in May focused almost exclusively on IRS scrutiny of tea party groups....

    As for why the report failed to mention that progressive groups, along with tea party groups, had been placed on IRS so-called Be On The Lookout lists for special scrutiny, Karen Kraushaar, the communications director at the treasury inspector general's office, said investigators had been constrained by their mission statement. House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) had specifically requested that investigators "narrowly focus on tea party organizations." So they did just that, Kraushaar said.

    "We were specifically asked to look at three things," Kraushaar said. "Number one was were these groups being singled out for review. Our report answered that in the affirmative. Number two was were they being asked inappropriate questions. We answered that in the affirmative. Number three, we were asked to find out if there was evidence that the tea party organization applications were delayed. And again, our audit finding was that they were being delayed."

    A request for comment from Issa's office was not returned..."​

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/25/irs-scandal_n_3499913.html

    As for the charge that only conservative groups had to wait:

    "Ameinu, which on its website calls itself a “community of progressive Jews,” received its 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status on May 28 -- five years after applying.
    IRS agents peppered the group with 18-page surveys and lingered for months without follow-up, Hiam Simon, national director of Ameinu, said in a telephone interview. He said he was looking at a 4-inch thick folder of Ameinu’s communications with the IRS.​

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-24/irs-screened-applications-using-progressive-israel-.html
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    So the fact that Obama administration also targeted jewish groups is proof that there wasn't undue scruitany towards conservative groups?


    the fact that Jewish groups were also targeted is not anything new
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    Yeah, what with anti-semites like Axelrod and Emanuel running the IRS and hawking it's agents, they probably were only confused and didn't recognize this one as a self described “community of progressive Jews”. After all, most Jews in America are conservatives.

    Or can't you read?
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    none of this is surprising given Issa's previous criminal record

    he got exactly what he wanted....the perception of wrongdoing

    and he knows his base had these beliefs about Obama to begin with, so just light a spark, and watch it explode
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    One more time... The list is not the issue. The FACT that only the progressive groups on that list were denied certification is the issue.

    Don't try to confuse things.
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    say what?
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    What?
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    Dave's telling everyone else not to be so confused.
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    So, which part are you having difficulty comprehending, river? Perhaps I can help?

    The fact that a group named "community of progressive Jews" is hardly proof that conservative groups, by and large, were not the target of the delays...

    It only says that the person who was making the decisions was more interested in the "Jews" term than "progressive".
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    you might want to read your post again. remember, the last time you accused me of a lack of comprehension was the wildflower license plate thread, when you completely misunderstood what had happened.
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    ...and the dance begins...

    So, it is your claim that this single instance is proof positive that conservative groups were not targeted more often that their liberal counterparts? Really river? That's your claim?
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    Your post:
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    Ahh, yes... By bad. A typo, but it still does not change the intent.

    So, do you think this single instance is proof positive the conservative groups were not specifically targeted by the IRS?
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    There you go. We point out the error in your post, you accuse me of a lack of reading comprehension but, after about three tries, you finally realize the error you made. That's now twice in a row that you've accused me of a lack of comprehension when you've been obviously wrong both times. I'd really suggest you stop and think it thru next time. It can be avoided.

    As far as which side was targeted more, I honestly don't know. Do you?
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    As the Bloomberg piece notes, 501(c)(3) is a separate tax code section. The types of organizations it covers, and the IRS criteria and review processes, are different than those involved in the underlying controversy.

    Also, the article indicates that Ameinu's IRS treatment stemmed from the group's focus on Mid East affairs rather than liberal politics. “I think they were painting with a broad brush, with worries about Middle East ties to terrorism,” [Ameinu director Simon] said of the IRS. “I don’t think it was caused by malice. Ignorance is too strong a word, too. They simply weren’t nuanced enough or careful enough.”

    So while Ameinu's experience contrasts sharply with that of the Barack H. Obama Foundation - which got its favorable 501(c)(3) ruling (retroactive, no less) within a month of applying - I don't know that adds much to the "nothing to see here" case.
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    Two times? I see only one, and it was pretty obvious that it was a typographical error. Is that how it is to be now, river? Every time a typo is made, the one who made the error is to be called out on it?

    The proof of the one-sidedness of the IRS target had been given. You don't like it. I get that, but lets not try and build upon the strawman argument Row presented here, and in a myriad of other threads. The issue is not the list. The issue is how those chosen by the use of this list were so obviously treated disproportionately.
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    I don't know. Now the IRS said it has targeted liberal groups as well. What are you basing your claim that you know for a fact more conservative groups were targeted? I'm not saying you're wrong, but what's your evidence?
    And weren't more conservative groups approved?
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    And the sycophants will believe anything

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    As the intelligent among us figured, this is a controversy invented lock, stock and barrell by Issa.

    He only asked for information on tea party or conservative groups being scrutinized and then acted like they were the only ones.

    This is why it hurts your brains to trust Fox, people.
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    Someone didn't read the article. Maybe the link will help you!

    http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-mon...ig-liberal-groups-not-targeted-like-tea-party

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