Who Was Themistocles?

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    I use the pseudonym Themistocles frequently, partly because almost no American knew who he was, but largely due to him being a model for me due to his incredible intellect. The only place I’ve found where that name was taken is Steam (http://steamcommunity.com). He, not being a general, although he was a war hero, is almost unrecognized by Americans, along with many other heroic intellects such as Hypatia (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1186830/plotsummary), Zenobia of Palmyra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenobia), and Epictetus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epictetus). Although his amazing victory over the Persian King Xerxes’ fleet of over 1,200 ships with 371 combined Greek City States’ ships caused Herodotus to write the very first history of current events, like so many before and after him, he was simply too smart for a society as structured as Athens. Although theoretically a “democracy,” it was in fact almost totally rule bound and not at all amenable to the type of creative thinking that Themistocles and Socrates exhibited. Rather than experience death like Socrates, Themistocles, like many, many creative individuals left Athens, but unlike most, who settled primarily in Greek City States in Sicily or Southern Italy (below the Etruscan Empire’s range), he decided to go to Persia, where his old enemy, Xerxes, when he realized this was the incredibly brilliant fellow who had beaten his fleet at Salamis, offered him the rule over the city of Magnesia (where magnets of those days came from). He made Magnesia a terrific place.

    Unfortunately, the new 300 movie, which will cause a lot more Themistocles names to appear, depicts this wonderful mind as admittedly brilliant, but primarily a hero warrior, which he was not. It apparently is based on the Comic Book and is simply loaded with historical errors, for example, Xerxes was not a God King and the Greeks combined forces both at Thermopylae, where the Persians defeated the Spartan led army and throughout Greece, including Salamis. It wasn’t merely 50 Athenian ships but 371 from all over Greece according to Herodotus.

    Anyway, that is something of a bit of history about who I’ve taken as a pseudonym and why, and also why you are going to see more examples of that name now, so, don’t think the new ones are me.
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    Or more importantly mdf? I hear a Greek god of sport, but not completely sure...
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    Thanks for history lesson.
    I will not confuse future instantiations of Themistocles with you nor will I confuse you with your namesake.
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    While your post is interesting I am not sure why you posted it in NBN.
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    I was a fan of Themistocles as a young man who studied both philosophy and ancient history before focusing on both Religion and Psychology.

    Themistocles left Athens because he forced to go by a vote of Ostracons. Athenians, concerned with "cult of personality" had a system of ostracizing talents like Themistocles for fear of them gaining too much power. There is evidence (the signatures on the ostracons themselves) that the ballot may have been stuffed by his enemies. One can see used ostracons today in the small museum in the Agora under the Parthenon.

    The Athenians were fortunate to have discovered a vein of silver that served as the funding for the Triremes that Themistocles encouraged them to build. had they not followed his advice, history may have been very different. His strategy was also brilliant and the courage of the Athenians to follow his advice was extraordinary.
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    It's off season... beats the Band threads. ;)
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    it is amazing how some will go to a movie and think that it's historically correct.
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    It's not?
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    I feel much more educated now.
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    Victor Davis Hanson's new book, "The Savior Generals" has a great account of Themistocles, his Salamis exploits and his tragic fall from grace.
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    Who is tegator80? A middle-aged, smart assed curmudgeon. I thought that was self evident.
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    Doubt there's any threads like this on any other BB board right now. Guess talk gets elevated when you have an academic all-American/3-time SEC men's basketball scholar-athlete of the year.
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    I hated the movie 300 so I'm sure I'll hate the new one as well when I'm forced to watch it with my wife.
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    So I can guess that when I saw the same handle on a different message board with a completely different topic that it is more than likely you? ;)
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    Apparently, in previous years -- yes. Going forward? No.

    I liked the original post. Curious about Magnesia now.
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    Either you are not an American, or you have a heroic intellect.
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    ...and no girlfriend.


    ;) JK.
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    When I read the thread title, I thought that you had died, them. So mostly, I'm just glad that you are still alive, man.

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