Which agencies will control the ACA?

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    We all know that the IRS will play a huge role in implementing and regulating Obama-scam, but I heard in the news that the Health and Human Services will also be involved? If that's true then Obama-scam must be stopped at all cost. Once they've infiltrated that agency it will be next to impossible to separate Obama-scam from other very vital entities that the HHS controls.

    Here are a few of the agencies that they work with.


    And of course the IRS is intimately involved as well.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/100711119
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    Upon further review... the Pubs must shut down the government if Obama doesn't capitulate. Becasue once the ACA is enacted, fully... it's game over.
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    Well, the case that upheld the ACA was NFIB v. Sebelius, so I'm not sure how the association with HHS escaped you.
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    Misdirection on all the IRS BS, I guess.

    It's important that we Pubs de-fund it, and if we have to shutdown 41% of the non-essential government agencies to do it... so be it.
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    Well, sorry you got duped by the partisan conservative media on that.
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    I'm sure Nancy didn't know that either.
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    Nancy Sinatra? Probably not. But I'm fairly certain Nancy Pelosi did.
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    If she did then she knew this was a government socialized takeover of the healthcare industry from the beginning.
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    Also, in case it confused you, the Defense Department is involved in our wars.
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    I can't wait to see how snarky you feel after the Pubs de-fund Obama-scam... :grin:

    Did you happen to see if these agencies get shut down if the POTUS refuses to sign the CR?
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    ACA is mandatory spending. It doesn't get cut in a shutdown.
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    Wrong, all moneys/spending gets approved by The House of Representatives. :yes:
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    Don't try to tell him he's wrong on anything. Even if he gets proven wrong later on he won't admit it & he'll just try to deflect it & blame Bush, the Easter Bunny, Waldo and Dr. Seuss
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    Well, kind of. But not all spending has to be approved by the House every year.

    With mandatory spending (also known as direct spending) it does not have to be re-approriated annually by Congress, because the previous legislative action that created the spending provides for the money to be spent without being dependent on annual or periodic re-appropriation.
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    obama and the dem are the ones who want to shut the Government down. The Rep funded everything but obama care which a vast majority of Americans do not want
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    LMAO... That's hilarious, Ice.


    Thanks, ice. But, I have to say that it's fun playing these games with him sometimes. It's like I'm playing with my pet... I point the laser light and he follows it... j/k Fred.
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    I hear you, my friend. Obama thinks the Pubs will get the blame for it, but that's not likely this time around.

    Also, I heard that the House could piecemeal the CR item by item for the Senate to approve. That way they could omit the ACA completely and still fund the entire government.
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    In theory they could. In two business days? They can't. They'll get back a clean CR, and it will either pass or we'll have a government shutdown.

    If I had to guess it will pass, the debt limit demands House leadership is leaking suggest they're probably pushing these fights off to that battle where, frankly, they make even less sense to have.

    The other somewhat realistic possibility is passing a CR that funds everything for a week or two to give them more time to fight over a longer term CR.
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    Interestingly, many of the functions you listed above are far closer to socialism than anything in Obamacare, in which people can choose to purchase private health insurance (from profit-making firms) or pay a portion of the free-riding that they will be doing (ie. they can use medical bankruptcy to get out of paying some of their medical bills).

    So we have healthcare providers, in the form of private doctor offices and private healthcare facilities, and private insurance companies making a profit, while the government subsidizes care for people that are currently paying for the free riding behavior of those without insurance by way of charging those who choose to free ride. Socialism, in its purest form, doesn't allow for private profit.

    Government control of research budgets, ie. true state planning of a major economic activity, seems far closer to socialism than anything here. And yet, you label that form of socialism "vital." And that is not even considering the fact that you labeled two single-payer programs as vital, when single payer is one step short of completely socialized healthcare (which is single provider).

    Maybe your issue isn't really with socialism. It sounds like you are using the term socialism to describe things you don't like, for whatever reason, while not using it for things you do, even if they are far closer to the economic philosophy of socialism.
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    If you're right about the piecemeal and the timetable in which to act then that's what they'll have to do. I believe their only other option is what you mentioned... it's a band-aide two week fix or something along those lines, but it gives the House the time to attempt the omission of the ACA from the CR..

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