Where do you stand vis a vis the current staff

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What grade do you give?

  1. A

    23 vote(s)
    12.0%
  2. B

    81 vote(s)
    42.2%
  3. C

    53 vote(s)
    27.6%
  4. D

    28 vote(s)
    14.6%
  5. E

    7 vote(s)
    3.6%
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    What the results show is that a handful are convinced he is the long term answer. A handful are convinced he is not. The majority are in wait and see mode running about 3:2 between those who are optimistic vs those who are uncertain.

    Its important to take the pulse of the Gator nation periodically.
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    In order (IMO):

    Zook from Spurrier (38 new starters in 3 years)
    Muschamp from Meyer (33 new starters in 3 years)
    Spurrier from Hall (approx 24 new starters in first 3 years, based on limited research)
    Meyer from Zook (19 new starters in first three years)
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    Thanks for collecting the data.

    And, that seems like the correct order to me.
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    Maybe I'm being dense but I don't get the direct link between new starters and lack of talent. I'd think that has to do with roster turnover which could have to do with talent, fitting scheme, not buying into system, discipline, graduation, NFL, etc.
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    Certainly that contributes to making the job harder though but you could still have a stacked team with a lot of new starters.
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    That's a good, short-hand synopsis of the results.

    And, hopefully I'm not quibbling too much about fine distinctions, but I wanted to point out that I voted an "A", but I wouldn't call myself "convinced" as of yet.

    I'm still in wait-and-see mode. I just think Muschamp has done a great job so far with a fantastic SEC Championship Game appearance-worthy season last year (although missing out due to the tie-breaker) and some very good recruiting classes so far.
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    Those two bolded aspects also has me curious(too lazy to look it up so someone else can)---did Zook change OC after the first year? I don't recall, but I have to believe that Muschamp having Weis the first year, then going with Pease the next has to play a factor as well.

    I just don't recall if Zook made OC changes from his first to 2nd year like Will did.

    Anyone know?
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    You are absolutely correct on all counts. It is a variety of those. But the facts remain that there were huge holes when Zook and Muschamp arrived. In both cases, discipline issues and early departures contributed heavily. We also know, however, that both SOS's and Meyer's last class were relatively poor. it can also be said that Meyer's first class was poor by his standards, and that reflects partially on Zook's staff.

    For whatever reason, the talent level when the team was ready to play was low. Not so much the RAW talent, but rather, the EXPERIENCED talent. It is no coincidence that when Spurrier (1992, 1999), Zook (2002, 2003, 2004), Meyer (2007, 2010) and Muschamp (2011, 2013) had their worst teams, they had to start at least 12 new starters. Our regular season average is 8-4 under these conditions.

    I hope we are above average this year.

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