Where do you stand vis a vis the current staff

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What grade do you give?

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  1. Minister_of_Information
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    Miami was ranked 24. What is so hard to understand about that?
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    And we should have beat them. Also Louisville last year as well.

    What is so hard to understand about that.
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    You can twist it any way you want, but if losing to an undefeated team (at game time or season's end) is some sort of ALL CAPS UNACCEPTABLE occurrence, then the last four of our coaches (and probably many more before) are guilty.

    I stand by it. Revisit this in December, we'll be on the same page.

    I base it on our returning talent and - believe it or not - the performances in our first two games.
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    We've actually moved the ball well. JD looks much better (most of the time).

    MJ isn't himself yet, but will be a stud when he gets his strength back.

    TOs and penalties are hurting us now. Without shooting ourselves in the foot in the red zone in particular, the offense would be respectable right now.

    I think we'll probably be fine, but part of that has to do with our mental outlook. Will the coaches and JD learn to attack the red zone with confidence? The answer to that question is the answer to how we'll do on offense, IMO.
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    And i stand by the point i was trying to make.
    Spurrier was very good against teams he had CLerly better talent than (unranked teams)
    Muschamp has lost two of the last three games. Both i think he should have won.

    Not saying he isn't going to be good but i am not as sure today as i was before our bowl game last year.
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    Wait, so now it's not just unranked teams (because of course that wouldn't include Louisville)?

    Let's not cherry pick or anything.
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    No the point is I am not sure if Muschamp is the guy.
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    And that's fine, but your method of quantifying that is pretty crappy.
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    and yours too when you say Syracuse in 1991 was unranked when they went 10 and 2
    And Auburn was unranked when they went undefeated the year they beat us.
    So those are just two i know about in your 6 you said were unraked that beat UF when Spurrier was coach.
    SO your method of quantifying is suspect as well
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    I didn't list any of those teams, but thanks for playing.
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    Should have. So what? Four top ten teams think they should have beat the Gators last year.

    I do not understand the hate on Driskel. He has one flaw in my opinion. He tries to make throws that do not need to be made and should not be made. He has got to learn. The fumble Sat was a fluke that can happen to any QB. As noted by a poster, I have seen Grossman throw four interceptions in a game; I have seen Leak throw four interceptions. I have not seen Driskel throw four interceptions.

    Everyone in the Gator Nation thought that Moore was an excellent Olineman. It appears that he is not; or at least he is not right now a SEC quality tackle. It also appears that Max Garcia is not a left tackle. So, they need to get the RT sorted out, or they need to adjust blocking schemes to help the weak points. They need Halapaio back, and Humphreys back. Then we might see what the offense can do.

    I gave the staff an A based on 11 wins last year, the upgrades to the staff during the off season, and my estimate of their potential.

    Saturday made me sick; but, I am not going to throw Staff, QB or anyone else under the bus based on that game.
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    Yes, so are you saying that Spurrier never lost to a lower ranked team? Because I can assure you that he did, and it was not an irregular occurrence.
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    Stop trying to have it both ways. You aren't fooling anyone.
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    I just went back and checked the 6 examples WOrmwood gave as unraked teams that beat Spurrier.
    They all were ranked at the end of the year.
    I jsut knew Syracuse and Auburn who went 10-2 and 12-0 the years they beat his team.

    SO no SPurrier did not lose to unranked teams often.

    Now back to Miami. They might be ranked at the end of the year but they are not a good football team.
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    Well, I assure you that if we played Miami at Week Seven, say, they will be ranked. Indeed, they may be in the top five, as they may run the table if they can get past GT and UNC.

    We played Miami in Week Two. None of those teams, Including Auburn, were ranked in Week Two. That matters.
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    we'll see if Muschamp can compare to Spurrier at some point.
    I am all for it.
    I do know he hasn't won anything i.e. championships yet and based on the last two losses I am not as convinced as i was prior to our bowl game last year.
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    Overall I'd say end of season rankings are the best barometer. However, there are circumstances such as injury or team collapse that can skew end of year rankings versus how well a team was playing earlier in the year.

    There were years when the Colorado Buffalos started off the season looking like total buffoons before righting the ship and making impressive runs.
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    Spurrier's accomplishments at Florida are a matter of record. That said:

    * SOS inherited an absolutely LOADED cupboard. Muschamp inherited a comparative train wreck.

    * SOS's first year had an amazingly easy schedule, his weakest of his twelve years at Florida. Muschamp's first schedule was absolutely BRUTAL.

    * SOS did win an SEC title in 1991, and he did it in fine style, giving Alabama their only loss of the year. But Boom actually beat more tough opponents in 2012 than SOS did in 1991.

    * In their 3d year, SOS lost two of his first three games by comfortable margins. The Gator Nation was VERY nervous after losing badly to Miss State (in similar fashion to how we lost to Miami: poor QB decision-making). Boom at this juncture has yet to play his third game, but Miami will undoubtedly finished ranked.

    This is not to say that Boom is going to have anywhere NEAR the career of Spurrier at Florida. But give him a damned chance...
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    this his second full year as starter---when will he start learning?
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    Elam, Floyd, Powell, Easley, Reed, Burton, Dunbar, Patton, Orr, Riggs, Watkins, Jelani, Bostic, Gillislee, Halapio, Harrison

    I will argue to the death that Muschamp inherited the farthest thing from a train wreck.

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