Where do you stand on the political spectrum

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    Don't fret. It seems that most, if not ALL, of our resident "independents" thought the same thing.

    BTW, you can eliminate the "libertarian" and "statist" sections of the graph because they really don't exist. Instead, simply draw a line from the top 90 degree angle to the bottom 90 degree angle, and label the halves "left" and "right." That would improve the accuracy of this "test."
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    Somewhere up in the 8,000+ range it's bound to stop deserving a Fry Meme. It's convenient, I suppose, to consider one's political thumb up their own rear end the greatest hallmark of their high esteem for liberty and decency in the world. Oddly enough, that same thumb is also the greatest hallmark of apathy and callous indifference to both of those things.
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    Is it possible to protect against coercion without coercion?

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    Really putting that black-and-white mind on full display, Dave.
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    Without ascribing legitimacy to the state which is by nature coercive ? No, I don't think so.
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    But as I recall with your state-for-hire security company, you are in favor of having a government, you just want to have more control over it, right?

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    If be "coercion" you mean to demand that the American people get a job... that is if, first, our federal government does in fact create the means/atmosphere in which anyone can get one? Then hell yes... Coerce the hell out of people to get them off their asses and coerce them to work for their money.
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    You have to shake your head at the philosophy of subsidizing people not to work hard and at the same time have an armed assault on hard working Ranchers for their cows eating grass on tax payer property. Everything is literally turned on its head right now.
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    The Dems will crush our country into oblivion just to win the votes to stay in power.
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    No, the libertarian security company would take the government out of the loop altogether. No police. No courts.
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    And they wouldn't operate by use of coercion?

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    Nope... anarchy is his choice of governance.
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    Hence why "anarchy" as a social structure is about as useful in real life as the taxonomy of unicorns. There is no anarchy, there is always an -arch in any context; there is a rule of law or there is a rule of man, in any and every context. Where man rules, man rules by strength and by the good or ill humors of his own will, might making right. The farm next to yours sucks up all the water upstream of you, he is governing your use of water. If there is a authority to appeal to, it governs. If you go and threaten or force him, you govern. If you go and pay him to leave you better use of the water, the agreement governs; or if broken, the breaking party again governs. Even in the most simplistic and cynical definition of "government", it always exists in every interaction.

    What man can strive for is a moral and ethical construct in the form of government we have, be it institutional or the normative informal balance in our private interactions. But there is no such thing as "anarchy" other than as a more florid metaphor for "chaos".
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    I'll frankly admit that advocating liberty and responsibility, and operating without the imprimatur of the violent and coercive state amounts to taking a sort of "God's eye view" of the world. Hence, it is the stuff of dreams.

    Duly noted is the defender of the violent state equating non-endorsement of said state with violence. I suppose the anarchist does call forth the tanks when he wants merely to be left alone.

    A statist is a person who believes everyone else needs laws.
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    Just helping out with the evolution vs creation thread...

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