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Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by slayerxing, Sep 16, 2013.
Nope they are not, but neither are these two statements mutually exclusive.
1) Player X is to blame for some bad things that happen.
2) Player X is by far the best option at his position on the team.
Lets see, here we go again with this myth that Moore was a "fumbler". He fumbled his senior season... twice. I recall legendary UF RB Fred taylor fumbling twice in one game against fsu in '97.
So please, just stop it. Stop trashing former Gator players who stayed out of trouble, got their degrees, and represented UF well.
The whole premise of this thread misses an obvious truth -- ALL fans of ALL teams blame someone when they lose,especially for mistakes like fumbles, missed FGs, etc.
Gator fans are no worse than any other major team. Shoot, we hurry to the boards of foes we beat to see their meltdowns, jut as they come to ours to see our meltdowns (I'm sure Miami has enjoyed this past week trolling.)
It's what passionate fans do...
When JD has a great game vs TN, it will be all praises. Just watch.
I would be thrilled to see him play like he did last year in Knoxville. It was statistically his best game as a Gator.
We need to play well this week. We have three games to get this ship in order before Red Stick.
At least they took slightly better angles to the ball than Lester Norwood. But only slightly.
I'm still blaming Larry Ochab.
It is obvious that he is throwing the ball a lot more this year. And I agree that he seems to have a better pocket presence along with a poorer OL so far - mainly due to injuries.
But he simply cannot continue to turn the ball over the way he has.
I think the biggest gripe people have is the type of interceptions he has thrown - bad ones against what we perceive to be a bad defense. And the fact that, although not taking as many sacks, he is still holding the ball too long and has trouble recognizing when he is in danger.
I'm in the pro Driskel camp. If he can just fix those things - and we can stop with the stupid penalties and get our ground game going - IMO he can help us win a championship. With this offense, every possession is critical. This isn't the SOS days where we could screw up a possession and not worry because we would score on the next 5.
And, the way I look at it, he is our QB for the next two years and I would much rather pull for him than sit around and moan about his deficiencies.
You are absolutely right. doesn't make it right, however.
Gray, stellar post! That was how myths propagate to legend.
Excellent! I would extend that to coaches as well. I'm old school, I guess, but I feel that if someone puts on orange and blue and gives it their all, regardless of the success, they still deserve honor and respect. That doesn't mean everyone plays and no one gets fired. Sports is the ultimate job measured by performance. But regardless of performance they should be treated decently.
What if companies had fan boards and people sat around every night posting about our work performance today?
If Jon Hoke was such a good defensive coordinator, then why hasn't he gotten a DC job post-UF?
Please don't tell me he loves coaching the secondary and turned down DC positions.
I will be watching but I doubt it will be all praises regardless of how great of a game JD has or how many points we score or how often we pass on 1st down. Some fans blame and bitch and moan about every little thing like their lives depend on it.
I remember someone used to repeated post "Our defensive coordinator was the defensive backs coach at Missouri. MISSOURI". Kind of humorous that Missouri is now an SEC team. So I guess that wouldn't be quite the put down it was then.
I don't think anything will compare to the heat Zook received. I read this entire thread and I think I saw a total of one post mentioning Zook. You could combine the heat Brantley, Hoke and Driskell received and it wouldn't be a quarter of what Zook received. Some of it may have been well-deserved, but he also laid the groundwork for Meyer.
Perhaps he was happy living in Houston for several years? And BTW, none other than Steve Spurrier offered him the DC position at USCe in 2005 as his first choice. So if Da Ball Coach thought highly enough of him to hire him AGAIN, what does that say about Hoke (or your comparative appraisal)?
And for the record, Hoke turned Spurrier down.
I blame PK Sam
I was being sarcastic...
Goodness, Zook got more heat before he even set foot in Gainesville than most coaches EVER get. Zook wasn't a great head coach by any stretch, but to hear the hysterics here, one would have thought that Zook was so bad, he made "Ears" Whitworth (1950's Alabama coach who inherited a team that went 201-58-15 the previous 30 years, and went 4-24-2 in three years before Bryant heard 'Mama callin') look like Bear Bryant by comparison...
I think the passage of time has shown that Zook was average, but he was measured against his predecessor and successor, who were great. There are many levels between Great and Horrible.
I maintain he was doing something right if the Gators won the MNC two years after he left town. His main strength was recruiting, but he was a pretty mediocre tactician.
Yeah, especially with those 4th down decisions and 2-point conversions. I don't blame him for many of his losses, however.
* Miami was the better team, period.
* Ole Miss was on Rex
* LSU was strong before their injuries, and Rex was still free-lancing
* FSU beat Zook; poor coaching
* Michigan was a nailbiter. The trick play didn't lose the game, but it was symbolic of the futility.
* Miami was lost in part to Martin's concussion, Strong's prevent D and Brock's great finish.
* Tennessee caught us at a QB transition. We were unprepared;
* Ole Miss was on Leak, plus they were a good team with Eli Manning
* FSU - The Swindle
* Iowa - Hawkeyes were a good team, but Florida was not ready to play. Zook was out recruiting.
* Tennessee: Bobby Moreau
* LSU: DB got beat by a long pass play at the end. Can't blame anyone for that.
* Miss State: Inexcusable
* Georgia: lame duck game. Florida ran out of time.
But the head coach is responsible, and he wasn't getting it done. After three years (actually, two), it was time for him to go.