What is the rationale for exempting congress/executive from ACA?

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    This point more than any other sticks out to me and I hope congress holds out for at least the elimination of this language from ACA. I've seen this mentioned on several shows and the (D)s and media (sans FOX) just blow over it as if it's some inconsequential fact.

    But I do not find it inconsequential. In fact, I believe the question should really be: "Why would folks who spend the better part of the last 6 years lauding the benefits of ACA, DELIBERATELY add language that exempts them and their staff from it."

    If I were handling the (R)s PR on this, I would hammer away at this point. I just don't get it and I'm not sure how anybody can. It reeks of corruption and base hypocrisy. How can anyone justify this?

    I'm no Constitutional scholar, but did they just forget about this line: "Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives."

    Again, how can they justify this? And the audacity to put that language in ACA is just mind numbing IMO.
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    Congress is not exempt.
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    Please elaborate. Is this just a bald face Lie?
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    Arrogant elitism?
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    Just because it's been said over and over by the right doesn't make it true:
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    This whole argument is largely a publicity stunt. If you already have insurance you are basically "exempt" (from buying new insurance anyway, you arent exempt from having to keep or maintain insurance under the ACA). Members of congress and their staff already have insurance, here's a detailed explaination:

    http://www.freep.com/usatoday/article/2883635

    It's all become largely a matter of how or if purchases on the exchange are subsidized. Not a big deal for members of Congress, but kind of a big deal for staffers who basically make very little money, and would be screwed if they can't get subsidies to purchase coverage.
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    Like most right wing propaganda, yes.
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    I think ACA is the perhaps the worst piece of legislation ever enacted. It will bankrupt this country.

    With that being said, the assertion that Congress is exempt is silly and continuing to bring it up just doesn't help our cause.

    Congress is not exempt. Congress and their staffers received healthcare coverage before ACA and they'll continue to receive it afterwards.

    It's just like any other large employer that provided coverage to their employees and don't have to change under ACA (other than changing certain coverage provisions required under ACA).
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    This is an example of why any reasonable political discourse is so difficult these days. I'm sure the OP means well, but Fox has convinced him that Congress is exempt for the ACA and the rest of the media is covering it up. Every discussion is just full of these falsehoods. Look at Too Hot already today:
    Obama exempted the unions.
    The parks were open in the 1995 shutdown but Obama closed them this time because that's just the kind of guy he is.
    Congress is exempt from ACA.

    All false. And that's just the ones I noticed, and it's not even 9:30 yet ...
    We have to continually wade thru all this crap. It makes it difficult to ever get to real issues.
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    Cool. I'll just take your word for it.

    Because, as we all know, you never engage (or buy into) propaganda? Correct Mr. Goebbels?
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    As evidenced by the headline, hardly a definitive answer either way.
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    Seems fairly straight forward to me (at least on the question of: "are they exempt?"):

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    It's all about power and control by manipulating people's money and taxes. Just remember, liberals are self-righteous and believe they have a moral high ground over everyone else. They love to talk AT you, down to you, over you, but never talk WITH you.

    Simply put, they're elitists. They think the rules are for everyone else and not them.
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    FIFY. HTH.
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    We can play this all day.

    If it's so "straightforward" then why this headline?

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    Stinks for the staffers but maybe they should have stepped up and informed the people they work about this situation before they passed it?
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    Why is every single one of your posts hypocritical? Every one of your nonsensical one liners can easily be attributed to your own party.. So I must ask, why do you bother..

    Don't answer, I know why, its because your only purpose here is to troll and bait people around here. Find a new hobby.
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    Actually most of this applies to (R)s too.

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