What is the Primary purpose of the Ten Commandments?

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    Don't know how to set up a poll so I'll name two categories. Both of course apply, but what do you think is the PRIMARY purpose?

    1) To help us, or
    2) To leave us helpless.

    What say ye?

    Ten Commandments:

    1) Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
    2) Thou shalt not make any graven image. Worship false idols.
    3) Thou shalt not take thy Lord's name in vain.
    4) remember the sabbath and keep it Holy.
    5) Honor thy mother and father.
    6) Thou shalt not kill.
    7) Thou shalt not commit adultery
    8) Thou shalt not steal.
    9) Thou shalt not lie (false witness).
    10 Thou shalt not covet.

    To me one & two can apply to money, success, sex, excessive alcohol, drugs.... Jesus raised the bar when he said "lust" was adultery of the heart and unwarranted anger is murder of the heart so that makes me 0-10; leaving me helpless. While the TC's (versions exist in other religions; bible says the law of the Lord is written on every heart) certainly are a guideline for living it's primary purpose is to show the Holiness of God that no man (woman) can meet. It's the mirror that exposes our sin. It doesn't help us, it leaves us helpless with nowhere to turn but to the Cross.


    • 1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
    Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

    Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
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    It was decidedly less sexy than what Luther or Calvin had imagined. It was an interim measure, given the ancient Hebrews to keep them from killing themselves until the time of Christ (Gal 3). The Law is now dust.
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    Personally speaking, it goes towards the failings of Man in trying to overcome its animalistic traits. Can't build something lasting without avoiding the pitfalls.
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    Hebrews 9:27
    And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

    If
    there is a God and if there is a judgement.....

    Sohow'dyathinkyou'lldoonyourfinalexam?
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    To you, me and most other's who post here, yes. Other's not so much.
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    The first 4 demand a belief in the Christian God
    The later, speaks to civilizing man from conflict

    All of them, imply an "or else"..


    But the real question is: What was the author's intent of adding this supernatural piece of fiction?

    Assuming you guys don't really actually believe this event happened, of course
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    Wait, non-Christians on this board shouldn't boil a baby goat in its mother's milk ? Better get the word out!
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    Let's just address the original ten.
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    Ok, so how'd you do on 5-10?
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    To be posted in giant sculptural form outside of southern courthouses for the purposes of making atheists mad?

    :p

    (In all seriousness though, interesting conversation thus far. I'm going to watch this one.)
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    Different perspective: They mean little. God uses them to show how little he judges us on. David killed, cheated, lusted, stole etc...yet was a "Man after Gods own Heart"
    They simply remind us of our frail humanity and that Gods love is based on much more. Its like my reltionship with my kids.
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    All societies need some basic laws to define right and wrong in the group as it gets larger and settles into a nation. That was exactly the case with the Israel tribe. They went from a nomadic people to one that settled into an area. The laws were base line - more were to follow - and intended for a theocratic society.
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    Are they posted at the USSC also? I know there is a frieze of Moses holding them (as well as other Law figures).

    Ben, Dream is making the point that Christians are no longer the Law but under Grace. Christians will not be judged because their "fine" has already been paid on the Cross. However Paul specifically tells us that that is not a licence to sin and make Grace abound even more. Jesus said "If you love me, keep my commandments." There are two judgments. The first separates the sheep from the goat, the wheat from the chafe, the wise virgin from the foolish. The second judgement the Christian does partake in where they will be judged, not for salvation, but for reward.

    When the rich man asked Jesus what to do to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, Jesus immediately walked him through some of the TC's (to bring the knowledge of sin). When the rich man said he had kept them since his youth Jesus told him to sell everything, give it to the poor and follow Him. Jesus was in effect pointing out that "wealth" was this man's god. The rich man walked away. It's interesting to note Jesus did not "chase" him "Wait, wait....".

    With the woman at the well Jesus brought the knowledge of sin by telling her she had had many men and the one she was living with was not her husband either.

    My point is why should someone come to Christ if they see no reason to? Enter the Ten Commandments to bring the knowledge of sin, it's primary purpose.

    There is not a person who has ever lived (save one) that can pass this "test" that demonstrates the holiness of God. When God passed Moses on the mount Moses had to shield his eyes because the mere sight of the holiness of God would kill him. Yes, a hard concept to comprehend and misunderstood by most.
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    Yet nobody can keep them. Lying, stealing, murder, adultery are only for a theocratic society?
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    like most...some good, some not so well...i think most people generally try not to hurt others, but have done so for various reasons in isolated incidents...often when young when one doesn't know the full ramifications and consequences of their actions
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    This to me seems like it.

    I mean, look at the context of that tribe at the time. I mean, they were dabbling in all kinds of things and had been wandering through essentially the wilderness.

    It seems like perhaps our modern churches have chosen to make them a very sacred thing and maybe even more meaningful than was ever intended.
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    The original ten are a low-bar, wouldn't you say ? I personally don't know any atheists who murder and steal.
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    I would submit, if you apply Jesus' raising of the bar on adultery and murder, you are 0-6.
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    It's god's laws and our covenant with him.
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    You've never stolen anything, at any time in your life, regardless of value?
    You've never been angry without warrant? (When Jesus cleared out the Temple it was justified)

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