What healthcare will soon look like in the USA....

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  1. ncbullgator
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    Yep. Selfishness is demanding others pay their bills. Congratulations.
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    I assume that you feel the same way about those who can afford but elect to go without health insurance and then stiff the hospitals and doctors when they get involved in an expensive accident or suffer through an expensive illness?
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    Absolutely except hospitals, unlike the architects of Obama care, know how to collect the tab.
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    How shall we deal with the health care required by the widow with 4 toddlers, the cancer victim who's exhausted all of his families assets or the 80 year old widow left penniless as a result of her husband's death after a long and expensive battle with Alzheimer's?
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    From debtors who declare bankruptcy?
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    According to some of the folks who post to this board all of them would be classified as deadbeats, parasites or takers.
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    Just the liberal coalition.
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    I thought liberals liked bankruptcy. They are all victims. Go figure.
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    Seeing as how the dwindling minority will be paying for it, that might concern the swindling majority. Who will be left for the swindlers to swindle after all of the dwindlers have dwindled? Is it more likely that:

    a) things will pay for themselves.

    or

    b) the U.S. will turn into a larger version of Cuba or Greece?


    Or are democrats biologically incapable of looking that far into the future?
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    My prediction is that Hispanics will swing republican once they start picking up the tax bill. Large numbers of Hispanics deal in cash transactions (small businesses, house construction/repair, restaurants, etc.), so are immune from paying income tax, but start paying property tax once they buy their first house. Once the republicans die off, the IRS will have to either fade away or start investigating how people with no reported income are buying nice houses. Guess which scenario is more likely, since no government agency in history has voluntarily faded away?

    It will take Hispanics a little longer to become republican, because they are more likely to start their career off the books than second generation Americans. But once they are introduced to the IRS, they will realize the horrors of a tax and spend government, and vote against the democrats.
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    Assuming for the sake of this debate your characterization is accurate, how do you propose to handle the healthcare costs of those that I described in my earlier response?
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    Liberals should be put in charge of only one area...PRETENDING TO CARE ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF THE LITTLE GUY. Putting a liberal in charge of fixing any "social" or "financial" problem always ends up disastrous.
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    Implement a national health care AMT tax paid for by everyone (no rebates). Everyone using government care has an annual deductible of $2500 per individual/$5000 deductible per family (it's called personal responsibility) . Abolish the Medicare tax (this is a joke) and combine Medicaid with Medicare under a single payer (call it Medicare). Force government workers to enroll. Leave the private health care industry alone. Tax private health care benefits including those received by government employees. If a person can't afford to pay the deductible, let the hospitals (another delivery system would save plenty but the hospitals are entrenched) first try and collect or use the government subsidies now used by a majority of seniors who are poor.

    Liberals won't support this because THEY will have to pay for something they now get for free and they will still argue those paying and receiving private care get better care. If you want to be part of the superior private care industry, get a job.

    My plan is simple. Provides the revenues. Gets rid of the middle man. Forces a measure of personal responsibility. Allows those of us in the private industry who pay for everyone to receive a benefit for our hard work. Encourages people to work. Takes care of the poor and seniors.

    Your question is answered.

    Now on to the IRS......
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    I could support your plan. It has many of the factors of the plan that McCain proposed (and why I initially supported/contributed to his his presidential bid). No industry enjoys as many tax breaks (deductible employer paid premiums without either those premiums or the eventual payments made to the employees healthcare providers included in the income of the employee; etc.) resulting in a system almost devoid of any market forces. Yours is a system worthy of debate at the highest levels.
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    Yep, it sure could. 30 seconds with Google will find you a wealth of surgical mistakes made in this country.
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    Obamacare will be a failure because it is built on a bad foundation. Obama didn't want to do the hard work - fix the skyrocketing prices. He chose the easy path - plop a new system on top of a crumbling foundation. You can take every single healthcare system in the world that works there, but it won't ever work here until we fix the issues of rising costs from a hospital visit to a band aid. I mentioned the last one because under Obamacare my wife waited 2 hours in the ER when she cut her hand wide-open with a carpet blade. Nasty cut too; wouldn't stop bleeding. Eventually, after a total of 5 hours, it stopped bleeding. The ER nurse put a butterfly dressing on the wound after giving my wife an option of stitches. All is good until we saw what the hospital sent in to the insurance company - $8,500. For a band aid and 5 minutes of the ER doc's time. That's the problem that Obamacare will inherit and grow upon.
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    What did the insurance pay?
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    Let me get this straight. You object to the regulations and restrictions that the ACA brings with it but endorse government action that would fix the prices that hospitals and other providers can charge. Doesn't that seem just a little bit inconsistent to you?
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    Do we remember when hospitals were not for profit. When a cadre of Doctors did not own over 60 % of all testing facilities, raping you and me when they realized you had great insurance, and tested men for female problems. No drug commercials on TV, no hot bimbo's representing drug companies , selling the latest and greatest to Doctors who receive enumerations for prescribing the companies drug. Lets stop these and other issues and don't ya think the costs will drop?
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    If you want to see the future of healthcare in America, just look at the VA.

    That is government single-payer, in action today!
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