We should go back to the spread

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What should we do with the offense?

  1. Stick with our philosophy

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  2. Switch to the spread (or spread option)

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  3. Switch to something else

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  1. geauxgator1
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    The spread better fits Driskell and Murphy's skill sets. I've been hoping they'd go back to the spread since Driskel became the starter.
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    You don't have to run a spread offense to win games- if we had more balance with run/pass a pro-style offense can work well. Of course with a depleted O Line and second/third string QBs for most of the season a strong passing game was a stretch
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    The problem with a some of these spread teams that get completely shut down against better competition is the lack of balance and power running game. If you can incorporate a power running game into your spread offense attack, that is the best offense in college right now.

    Guys like Sumlin running a modified Air Raid that actual incorporates a run game, Urban with his spread option attack, and Malzahn are some of the biggest offensive innovators in the college game right now because they all understand you need balance to be consistent.
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    Spread is almost a generic term at this point. There are so many variations. The only thing for certain is that there wont be 20 guys in the box. So that's a good start.
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    I agree you want a power run game, but I think those teams that get shut down are shut down because there is a talent differential. When the talents are similar, spread can do just fine.
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    To be fair, it's always been a generic term, as it refers to the formation rather than the philosophy.
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    This state has the best skill position set of recruits year in and year out. I want to see a top notch passing game with one receiver running a route to open up the other. Downfield passing where you pass for at least 8 yards when seven is needed.

    We had that with Spurrier and once you add in the skill running backs, the O has too many weapons to sit on one. We have been one dimensional for too long with the running game and need to be able to do both run and pass at a high level to win.
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    With our mobile quarterbacks, smallish OL, spread option should have been the scheme from the beginning. Our quarterbacks should not have to carry the load like Tebow, but they should be accounted for in the running game. More so than the particular scheme is the agressiveness of the playcalling and the ability to dictate on offense. Both Spurrier's and Mayer's offenses had the ability to dictate.
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    Have anyone's feelings changed, now that we are in fact going to the spread?
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    What exactly is the spread?
    What exactly is the read option?
    What exactly is a pro style offense?
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    Yeah, well that, along with Leak, Tebow, Harvin, Hernandez, Baker, Caldwell, Demps, Rainey, stronger OLs, more successful kickers...
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    Spread: Receivers are spread out, creating mismatches in the passing game, and keeping the defense off balance when it comes to the running game. This catches the defense in bad position many times, making it easier for the offensive line to both run and pass block.

    Read option: DE is basically not blocked, Quarterback reads the defensive end on running plays, if the end attacks the recipient of the handoff, the QB keeps and runs himself, if the DE stays at home to guard against a QB run, RB gets the ball. It basically takes the DE out of the play without blocking him, giving the offense an extra blocker for whoever gets the ball, or shifting the defense away from the run when the QB keeps.

    Pro-Style offense: Even though many pro teams have abandoned this philosophy for variations of the spread, "pro-style" typically is referring to an offense that runs out of a 2-back or 2 TE set. Relies more on execution of a power running game that opens up play-action passes, or on execution of a mid-range passing game, that opens up running lanes as defenses either stack the box to defend the run, or empty it to cover the passing lanes. Run more in the pros historically because: 1- Pro defenses are often too smart and less susceptible to trickery and 2- Pro defenses are often too fast and can recover from holes in the passing or run defense.

    Hope this helps.

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    We also need to get some TE involved in the offense. With only 4 catches last year, it was playing with a man down. Other defenses never even had to cover.
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    "Pro style" is definitely a misnomer these days. How many NFL teams run an under center West Coast style power run game with play action heavily utilizing TEs and the flats? Not many.
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    Agree...the NFL has changed and most teams work out of a spread, with a pass-heavy approach these days.
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    Our new OC supposedly works with the talents and skills of our offense. Next year, that will certainly mean catering to a mobile QB and a stacked group of RBs in Taylor, Jones, Lane, Brown--and hopefully, Cook (personally, I'd love to add Herndon to that list too, but I don't think we'll see much of him next year, especially if Cook comes).

    Some of our best success on offense was running out of the "diamond" formation in the backfield (we ran it effectively with Murphy, but Driskel would be even better since he's a bit quicker)...and we certainly have the bodies in the backfield to be effective there next year. Auburn ran out of that same diamond formation multiple times every game--with excellent results. Jones would be an excellent H back in this due to his size, blocking, and pass-catching ability...as would Joyer and Ajagbe.

    As others have touched on though, we need balance in order to utilize the spread--and that will mean running some out of the I as well.
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    Are we "in fact" going to the spread? Based on ... ?
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    Nice recent posts. I would also add to the equation that in college, a running QB who is a threat to pass is a valuable commodity, which is somewhat different from eras past. An option QB was a runner and rarely passed so their teams had to keep the score close. If they got too far away they had to do something that their skills (talent plus practice) were not designed around. A "pro-set" QB is designed to be mainly a passer in the pocket so you need the extra blockers for protection - FB or another TE.

    I have to believe that JD is as good of a spread option QB as Tim was in college, IF his supporting cast was as good. A LOT of things opened up with Harvin, Hernandez, and the Pouncey twins blocking. As Muschamp said when he was hired, the SEC is a LOS league and without rudimentary skills (again, talent plus practice) you aren't going to sniff the SEC championship. Hopefully the saga of bad offensive mojo is finally over.
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    Same question I have. Not sure we know what we're going to, other than up tempo and hopefully much cleaner execution.

    And I wouldn't be surprised if we base it on a subset of the current playbook to keep terminology changes relatively small. Just guessing.
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