We Are Going to Crush Them Everywhere’: Care to Guess Who’s Behind This Prediction for Tea Party

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    I would hope people would recognize the grass-roots movement that started as the"Tea Party" and then see what it has become, at least on the national stage. There was some deft moves that got some pretty loony people to "represent" their movement. But I also knew that if they didn't get together and have a real and consistent message other than "we are mad as hell" that it was going to die a natural death. Add in the MSM's encouragement to paint them as extremists and you have what it is today: a place for martyrs to stew about the US.
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    Its grass roots have been questioned.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brendan-demelle/study-confirms-tea-party-_b_2663125.html
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    McConnell's hostility towards the Tea Party is understandable considering that were it not for Tea Party candidates he would most likely be the Senate Majority Leader.
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    Why is winning midterms a bad thing? The lower turnout is made up of the much more engaged voters that don't need the presidential cult of personality beauty pageant to get off their butts and vote. What's more, where was all this puling and whining about low turnout and gerrymandering in 2006? Or when the Democrats had the House for four decades?
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    That is an interesting post. While I won't dispute the genesis of "Tea Party" as what your link suggests, what I am mostly talking about is the group of peoples who came out in a genuine worry about the direction of the country. You know, those middle-aged folk who were resolute to try and get the silly folks to pay attention to what our country was but is no longer. And demonstrated in a way that was a very stark contrast from Occupy Wall Street and their offshoots.

    But if a group thought that they could organize this group and then direct them to do their bidding (see unions and Detroit citizens for the past 20 years), well that was a pretty stupid idea. And all they have done is marginalized themselves.
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    As far as the actual protests, they started right after Obama was inaugurated, right? Where was there concern about spending before that?
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    I can't speak for everyone, but in my neck of the woods, the "Tea Party" push began in earnest after ACA was enacted, so that was sometime in and around 2010 or early 2011. I contrasted that with Occupy Wall Street which I believe was in the summer of 2011. So no, my group was about the wrong direction of the Federal Government and not that a "half-breed liberal" got into office.
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    And if it weren't for the Tea Party the house would still belong to the Liberals. But I don't think the Senate would be ours even if the Tea Party candidates had not run... there is not proof to that.
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    The protests started within weeks of Obama's inauguration. Maybe even days. ACA wasn't signed for more than a year.
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    No they did not. They started after the announcement of the ACA.
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    The first were in February 2009 over TARP, Santelli gave his now famous "derivative trading Tea Party rant" on February 19, 2009, and the first really big ones were the Tax Day Protests in April 2009 (which even Fox News referred to in their coveraage as the "Tax Day Tea Parties," where people showed up in tri-corner hats with tea bags because it was being sold as a modern day "Tea Party").

    The two houses began putting together various health care proposals over the period from June through September 2009. It picked up steam with the President's joint address in September 2009 urging the Congress to do something about health care reform. The House passed their proposal on November 7, 2009, the Senate had the cloture vote on what would become the ACA on December 23rd.

    Want to explain to me how June 2009 (the earliest any health care reform proposal bill began to take shape in Congress, far earlier than "the announcement of the ACA") somehow falls before February or April 2009 on your calendar?
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    Reality's well known liberal bias striking again.
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    Once again, I will not dispute the genesis of the Tea Party movement, only when was there a groundswell of action. And THAT, IMO, began after the ACA was passed. If there was some precursor to that I am not aware. And that doesn't refute or support my assertions.

    But after the demonstrations in a true grass roots effort, the "Tea Party" got hijacked by some people who really didn't reflect what the demonstrations - or at least those who were there to demonstrate - were about and then their message was lost. And as I posted before, if it was some masterminded attempt to assimilate and direct that group, that was a pretty stupid idea and has done nothing but marginalized themselves. But the core message of the grass-roots demonstrators is still the same: the Federal government has veered off-course.
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    Many of the Tea Party candidates have not lived up to the expectations of the members of the Tea Party and don't represent them very well. At best, many of the candidates are useful idiots in that they will tend to vote down all gov't spending (good and bad), which will allow moderate republicans to cast the deciding vote as to whether a bill should pass or not pass (once the republicans win both houses of Congress). All of the Tea Party supporters that I know are very intelligent people with strong fiscally conservative leanings (a few are also Libertarians). Since the Tea Party came up as a grass-roots reaction to our horrid socialist-in-chief, it makes sense that it will take some time to find candidates that represent them well. Give them a little more time.

    At the very least, we should appreciate the accomplishments of Tea Party candidates in getting highly entrenched politicians removed from Congress. Even if they only serve one term and a new candidate comes up to replace them, they have still provided a valuable service to the U.S. political system. Entrenched politicians are very difficult to remove, and become more corrupted by power and influence with every year they "serve" in Congress.
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    Good post. These nutty far right types hurt the repubs and can't govn.
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    I don't think the Tea Party does all that much damage to the republicans. In fact, it makes regular republicans seem more moderate, which is a good thing for collecting more votes from independents. Going into the 2014 elections, mainstream republicans are looking like the most sane group of the bunch, with the democrats being roasted for the failure of Obamacare, and the Tea Party candidates having their own issues.

    But the Tea Party candidates can counterbalance the nutjobs on the left. Sadly, this includes the leadership of the democrats (Pelosi, Reid, Obama, etc.). Why the democrats choose to be led by their most extreme element is a mystery to me. Eventually, the Tea Party will do a better job of finding candidates who represent their membership.
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    If you really think Obama is the extreme of the left, you're not really paying attention.
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    The president almost always tones down any extremism he might have when he gets into the oval office. Having an unfriendly Congress also limits presidential extremism, if he wants to get anything done. I think Obama has a tendency to throw out extreme ideas on occasion, but has few if any convictions that can overcome his narcissism and inspire him to actually work to get things done. He is quite possibly the laziest president in history. But if he could wave his hands and get things done by doing so, he would be an extremist president.
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    The name calling hatred from the Tea Party with the Rino stuff and much more, has removed my vote from your candidates.
    Now we are the liberal wing instead of moderate. I will vote Libertarian before the Tea Party. Insult away, and lose as well. Crushing is the reaction to your actions.
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