Watched highlights from the UF/UCLA Championship game

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    I think this year's team has the makings of a FF squad, and even national championship contender. A couple of things really stood out on the tape from that game:

    That year's team had so much muscle. We think about Noah and Horford, but its easy to forget that Adrian Moss and Chris Richard played instrumental roles off the bench as enforcers. I am not quite sure this year's team has the enforcer type? DFS I think fits the bill, but its nice when you have a true big who does that (what could have been with Damontre on this team...SMH). Patric is playing his best ball as a Gator, and Will needs to continue to improve. Even with the addition of CWalk... that championship team's frontcourt is hard to outmatch.

    Green was such an amazing distributor, especially in transition and off the pick and role. As much as I love Scottie, I don't think he stacks up quite as well as Taurean did in the facilitator category. In the championship game, Taurean is just slicing through UCLA's defense at ease. Fortunately, Scottie does things better than Taurean did (superior defender, more athletic, better size), and the emergence of Hill helps alleviate any facilitator concerns. I think the combination of Scottie + Kasey come tournament time > Taurean + Hodge running the point.

    Free throw shooting. Our bigs were our better free throw shooters! Horford, Noah were hitting all their free throws. Patric ends up being a real weakness here. Won't be surprised to see teams playing Hack-A-Pat in close games in the tourny.

    Excited to see it all come together! With the addition of Walker, this team Free Cwalk!
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    I think despite the blocking presence of Noah we are better defensively this year overall. I think Billy has become an elite defensive coach which he wasn't at first. Billy the kid was a very offensive minded guy at one point lol. He is now just an elite coach...both sides of the ball.
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    Lee Humphrey one of the best shooters in NCAA history. Remember when he literally ripped the net against Oregon in the Elite 8? Good times.
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    Each team is different but the championship teams have the experience, confidence, skill and toughness to stop another team's run and go on a few of their own.
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    Hah! Forgot about that!!!
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    It's hard to hold anyone up to the standards of Taurean Green, who made it all look so easy. Oh, and it's Cliff Richard. ;)
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    I don't think our frontcourt now is anything close to what we had with Noah, Horford, Richard and Moss/Speights. Pat and Wil are mostly defensive specialists, and on offense Wil looks pretty lost this year. Pat had a nice game against the Vols. Maybe if Walker gets to play and can contribute decent minutes.

    I sometimes wonder what this team would be like if we started the year with Walker, Carter and Harris all healthy and cleared to play. As good as we are now, that is.
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    I thought is was Cliff Richards! :D
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    By the way, in case some don't know about this, anyone can watch highlights of those NCAA tournament games (or even the games in their entirety), as they are archived and streamed free by the NCAA. Unfortunately it looks like our games aren't available past 2011, but you can any other second weekend or later NCAA tournament by the Gators back to the 94 game vs. Duke here:

    http://vault.ncaa.com/
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    touché ;)
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    I do think this years team has a chance at a Final 4 or maybe even a championship, but the '06/'07 teams were one of the best teams in the history of college basketball. No team has ever played with the chemistry that team had and they had some pretty good skill to go along with it. It was such a perfect mix of players. You had your rock solid guy at the point who ran the show and played in control but could also hit an open 3 (Green), you had one of the best 3 point shooters of all time (Humphrey), you had a super athletic 6'8 wing that could shoot or drive on you (Brewer), you had a big man that could do serious work around the rim or hit a mid-range shot (Horford), and you had a tall, athletic freak with a non-stop motor at the center position that swatted shots, grabbed rebounds, collected loose balls and dunked everything he could (Noah). And on top of that, they all were good (or great) defenders.
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    1976 Indiana might have been better.

    And then there were all of those undefeated UCLA teams. They might have been better as well.

    Still it good to be in that conversation.
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    Thinking back to watching the game in Indy I remember my wife being very nervous when it was close in the first half. I told her not to worry because UCLA was getting into serious foul trouble without a deep bench and Howland was burning up time outs just to give the players on the floor some rest. I was getting very confident.
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    Corey Brewer...money!
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    Frontcourt - absolutely no comparison. That team shot over 60% as a team and all of the underneath guys except Moss who had one good game as a Gator, against UCLA - not at all typical of him. In reality, that was a 3-man front court, not 4. The next year, with Speights, there was an honest to goodness 4th frontcourt guy, of course, he was only a freshman. By the way, against Ohio State in 2007, Odun said he though Chris Richard was a football player, not a basketball player, he was so strong (as an experienced and well-schooled senior).

    Corey Brewer was an absolutely outstanding theftful Small Forward, but he was incredibly inconsistent offensively, turned the ball over far too often, and only sometimes hit his threes. Prather is far superior offensively, is a lock down defender, and since he hits roughly the same percentage on 3s ad Brewer did, is wise enough to only rarely loft one. There was absolutely no one behind Horford either year, whereas Frazier, D. Walker, DFS or even Wilbekin can play SF on this year's team.

    At guard, I think Walker may be a better guard than Hodge because he is just as athletic, but far taller. Hodge wasn't much of a shooter as either a freshman or a sophomore, and neither is Walker. Hodge was a decent ball handler, being about Hill's stature, but Walker served as the PG against Middle Tennessee and he served well against a decent team.

    You must remember that Humprhey didn't hit his stride as a 3-point shooter until his junior year, and he was the main 3-point shooter on the team as far as 3-point shots taken were concerned. Green also hit a high percentage, and Brewer sometimes was on. Green had an amazingly quick shot from the 3. Frazier has developed as a Sophomore and I think he is a better all around player than Humphrey if for no other reason than the fact that he is more athletic and taller. By his Junior year, Humphrey played pretty good defense, and committed few turnovers.

    The Gator's current backcourt of Wilbekin/Hill Frazier/Walker is both deeper and more versatile than the fewer and much shorter 06/07's. Wilbekin, as was noted, is a destructive defender although he isn't quite as smooth as Green was in the NCAAs, his assist/turnover ratio is actually better, and will get better as the team gets more experience playing together. Right now he is a little over 2 to 1 (3.4 to 1.6 per game) due largely to the fact that the team has played together so little. Last year, playing with guys he was used to, he was 5 to 2 (average). By the way, Hill is also about 2 to 1 (3.3 to 1.6 per game)). So, combined, they average 6.7 assists per game and 3.2 turnovers, which is pretty good given they are playing with a team that only really started to work together 5 against 5 on December 15.

    All of the 03/04's played good defense, and it was, in fact, Noah, with his record number of blocks that completely shut down UCLA's inside game. He either blocked shots always to teammates (his best attribute), or caused players to alter their shot and with Horford and Brewer manning the glass, usually that meant a Gator rebound. Heck sometimes Noah grabbed the block himself (which is really amazing). But that team, both years, really matured and excelled during tournaments. Even the 06/07 team (#1 seed) lost 3 of 16 SEC games. And in 2006, Tennessee won the SEC East Division (two divisions and only 12 teams then, with by far the best teams in the East), and, in fact, Tennessee beat UF 3 of the 4 games those two teams played in 06/07, with the Gators winning only the last game in Gainesville.

    Because the two years, the team won both the SEC and NCAA tournaments, that creates something of a positive Halo effect on memory, rather than say, losing to Butler in the opening round as Billy D's other Final Four team almost did until Mike Miller made an amazing play to win the game. Corey Brewer did the same thing against Villanova in the 06 tournament. Had either of those not gone in, those teams wouldn't be remembered as well. Those Gators usually blew opponents off the court, but they had a tendency to lose close games, which, in both years, turned around in the tournaments.

    It simply is not possible to do a legitimate comparison because they are different groups of players, playing against different levels and types of competition and for two different coaches. Billy D is more complete now, as was noted.

    However, if this team adds Chris Walker, and he can contribute the way Billy D appears to think he can, the front line will be 4, not 3 deep, which will give this year's team at least one advantage over the 06 team (Moss was at best Mediocre, although Richard was very good, but no DFS, but very powerful, unlike Noah, who was adequately strong by his Sophomore year, but Horford was the real center. I already think this year's are at least equal to and perhaps better at the three wing positions, and deeper.
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    Great post, but it was the Georgetown game we scraped through.
    Brewer made the circus shot, but fell down on the final defensive possession and left a shooter wide open for a GW three that he missed.
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    Undefeated and no game within 10 :)..barely joking
    Those UCLA teams...jesus
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    The best part about this year's squad is each player seems still to be improving. Some of the drives Scottie has been making lately are primo.
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