Walmart strikes back....

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    They sure are, and in this case they weigh inexperience against the opportunity to learn and decide it's worth it.

    There are alternatives to working for nothing, of course.
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    It's a bit more complicated than that. DOL says there is a 6 part test (that I don't necessarily agree with them on, but the courts have been interpreting it largely the same way DOL has recently).

    http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs71.pdf
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    Ah... the irony.

    Didn't we also learn that the city of Washington, DC was paying many of it's workers less than the minimum wage that the council was demanding of Walmart?
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    Of course, Washington DC isn't trying to keep its own government from operating in DC. It is, on the other hand, trying to keep Walmart from opening there (although the Mayor supports Walmart opening I believe - just much of the rest of the city government does not).
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    hmmmm...Probably goes without saying, but there is a fundamental flaw in this "logic."
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    Can you expound?

    Interns do not have to be paid at all due to the nature of internships (which is about training, education and preparation for people who are not yet ready to be employees).
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    I agree. If the company and the intern both agree then it is not the business of a third party to decide otherwise. It shouldn't be based on how much it costs a single parent to raise 3 kids.
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    And that allowance is made because an intern is otherwise unqualified (or underqualified) for normal employment. As the links in this thread show, it's meant for real-life training.
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    It's a 6 part test whose compliance falls completely on the employer. If they do not meet all 6, then they must pay. If they meet 5 out of 6, they still have to pay.

    If an intern does work, he must be paid. If he goes to get another employee a cup of coffee, that is work and he should be paid for it since it benefits the company by allowing that employee to keep doing his work instead of losing time going for said cup.

    Work is work and deserves pay no matter what kind of work it is.
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    I did a lot of work at UF and didn't get paid for it.

    That's essentially what an internship is supposed to be - extended, real life education.
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    Different kinds of employees have difference characterisitics, from an employers perspective. Fro example;

    A full time worker is different than a part time worker.

    A salaried worker is different than an hourly worker.

    Therefore, an intern might indeed be different than more experienced workers.

    But suggesting that any worker deserves to get paid less than the minimum wage should be an anathema to liberal thinkers such as yourself.
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    Since when is obob a liberal? Or is that just what you call everyone with a different viewpoint?
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    An intern is one whose experience and/or skills is below that required for a paid employee.
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    Particularly perplexing given that I don't believe we need a minimum wage.
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    Honestly, there is such a social norm built around what that unskilled job pays, you could probably pull out the minimum wage and a lot of people not notice. Kinda like the insipid Miranda warnings; they are hardwired into the culture now.
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    So.....they should be paid below minimum wage?

    Using your logic, a new McDonalds employee should not be paid until she or he gains the skills necessary to do the requirements of the job.

    I agree that less skilled workers should be paid less. But...nothing? Or if not nothing, than below the minimum wage?
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    Not at all. There are many social conservatives here who's views differ from mine. I don't call them liberal.

    His views are most often liberal ones. Maybe not batsh$t crazy liberal views, like some here, but liberal none-the-less.
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    They should be paid if they are worthy of employment, not paid if they aren't. That seems pretty simple.

    No, this is not using my logic. The logic as applied to the McDonald's employee says "you lack the experience and skillset to do this job." By default almost everyone has the skillset to do a McDonald's job.

    They aren't workers. That's the part you're missing.

    This is an interesting stance here.

    Being against a minimum wage is a liberal ideal?

    Paying interns is a conservative one?

    I think you might want to reconsider this stance.

    A share plenty of viewpoints with liberals - I'm pro gay marriage, pro legalization of drugs - but this is not one of them.
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    Probably not worth it for McDonald's to try to hold back that first hour of pay. :grin:

    I remember when I was in high school and worked as a busboy. On my 2nd day of work that had me training the new guy.
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    I ran a kitchen that had a very good reputation. We worked closely with the local culinary school. Before graduation they would send us and a few other reputable establishments interns to learn real world applications of what they learned in school. We didn't pay them. It still works that way. After seeing what an actual working kitchen environment was all about many of them looked for a new career. I think for certain job markets unpaid internships serve a good purpose

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