Wal-Mart says it will pull out of D.C. plans should city mandate ‘living wage’

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  1. fredsanford
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    The middle class was far better off in this country when we were 35% unionized after WWII. Now we are at 16% and dropping and the middle class is being hammered by the upper stealing all their income.
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    The things you listed are progressive....the Walmart model is regressive. It doesn't belong in the same category.

    When Walmart comes to town, they want millions in tax dollars as an incentive to set up shop, they receive sweet tax breaks for 10-20 years. Walmart further takes from the tax payers by way of low wages and no benefits......many workers are on food stamps and Medicaid. Walmart destroys downtowns and small business. Walmart isn't the only giant corporation to operate like this......people justify it, then wonder what's wrong.

    Walmart and the other giant corporations that operate in the same fashion aren't benefiting from a "free market".....it's a market they've manipulated by way of paying for the rules, laws and regs to favor their way of operations.
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    Subsidizing people's lack of education and calling it free or fair is not what the Constitution is all about. You, me and everyone makes their own lot in life. And if that lot is unskilled and uneducated then you reap the harvest you have sown.

    Why should these people be giving more money than the deserve? So that they can have the added money to procreate more of the same? I don't think that's why our country has grown into the economic superpower with exceptional peoples the we are today.

    Free-markets do not need government strings attached for their daily affairs, because if you let them in there they will takeover the entire U.S.A. free-market economy. Our entire Constitution was written by the people and for the people, not for the government to dictate free-markets to the degree in which they are encroaching, but for freedom from an oppressive overbearing government.
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    We are not a country of dictatorship... we are a free-market society. If you want more of what you wrote above, please find the country allows this sort of wage fixing and tell us why you prefer that kind of government intrusion.

    There are poor/needy people that need places like Walmart to make ends meet. Who are you (government) to take that away from all of those people?
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    A study that says Wal-Mart simply absorbs business and jobs from other retailers rather than creating more:

    link
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    Should the major food stores have to pay the bag boys 12.50 a hour also? A majority of the people working at walmart are people on SS and untrained workers who could not get a job else where
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    We are not a free-market society.....it's not a free market when large corporations lobby for rules and laws that favor their way of operating.

    It's a sad day when the general thought is that poor and needy people need a place like Walmart to work.....and many don't make ends meet by being employed there.
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    Another classic from Fred.

    Sad. Sad. Sad.

    No one has ever gotten a job from a poor person.
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    No one's ever been fired, turned down, or laid-off by a poor person either.
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    If it isn't a "But Bush" coming from him, you can bet your last dollar it WILL be some of that "wealth envy-bitching" he is spewing.
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    Publix hires folks on SS and untrained or mentally disabled workers......I don't know what their wages are but most who are employed at Publix are paid well, get benefits and profit sharing.
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    I never said they need Walmart for work. They need Walmart to buy food and clothes.

    Every interest in the U.S.A. has lobbyists... including big labor.
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    Actually, plenty of people have received jobs from poor people. Start-ups, which are often started by highly leveraged individuals pursuing the goal of not being poor, have provided many jobs.

    That is putting aside the absolute hilarity of ignoring the consumer in who actually provides jobs, some of whom are poor. The rich guy wouldn't be rich without the business of some of those "poor" people.
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    Walmart opened there first store July 2, 1962. 51 years ago. I dont think Walmart is what has brought on the problems of our country. The US is eat up with people who think the US owes them a living without working. They are entitled to all the better things in life but feel some one else should pay for it.
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    Anyone with an eye for bargains, sales or coupons can purchase what they need at better stores or small businesses.

    Sadly, we've been programed to believe the sort of regressive business model of Walmart is great for our economy.....when all Walmart does is destroy downtown and it's businesses and keeps hard-working employees poor and on gov assistance. River's link illustrates this point.
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    It's always the same... the poor feel like their $h!tty lot in life is because of someone elses fault. They are the eternal victim... of selfishness.
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    What's hilarious is your post.

    Start ups hire bunches of people at first?

    Ive run 3 small businesses. Guess how many they employed when I started them(ie "Poor")?
    2nd hilariousness. . Upside down thinking liberals only see one side of the equation(consumer). There is obviously a "Demand" for said business product.
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    Good grief! You have drunk the large corporate kool-aide!
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    I live in a "large corporate" world. Everything that makes life easier/fun is made by Large corporations.

    My tv, cell phone, internet, cars, house, paint, furniture, carpet, food, refrigerator, lawnmower, electricity, gasoline, the very roof over my head all made from "large corporate" companies.

    If you want to chop wood for your log cabin and plow your own fields for veggies be my guest, I'll just drive to the beach and sit underneath an umbrella and enjoy my "large corporate kool-aide."
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    Actually, quite a few start-ups do hire plenty of people. It depends on what your start-up does, but, for example, if you start-up a manufacturing firm, it requires the hiring of quite a few people during the introductory phase. You should probably realize that your experiences are not entirely representative of all experience or all economic activities.

    There are both supply and demand. But you are completely ignoring the demand portion in your estimation of who "creates" a job because it serves your argument better. Just pointing out the foolishness of that position.

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