Voting ramifications of today's SC decision?

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    How many single-issue voters out there had gay marriage as their "single issue", and therefore, voted Democrat?

    Are there many out there that are socially liberal/fiscally conservative, and therefore, with today's SC ruling, might start voting more along conservative lines to address the fiscal issues we are facing?

    In other words, does today's ruling in any way alter the voting dynamic of the nation?

    Curious to read thoughts from the TH crowd.
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    Depends on how the party reacts. Establishment party leadership wants to get away from social issues, but I get the feeling you are going to have a bunch of grassroots and single issue groups pushing the party to double down on the issue, try to undo as much of Windsor as they can, and stem the tide before the Court grants cert on a state right to marry case again.

    If that happens it will mean electoral disaster, but it certainly seems like a reasonable possibility right now.
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    Unless the GOP takes traditional marriage (and the other related social issues) off their platform and stops talking about those things, I would suspect it wont change a whole lot.
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    I don't expect any change in voting.
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    Nor I. Nobody actually believed that, did they? Only the RNC itself is gullible enough to hold the football for that line of BS.
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    If the pubs can get away from social issues and provide credible across the board spending suggestions they could get most of the middle and probably keep most religious conservatives. Problem is that they have not shown a proclivity to do either.
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    The voters passed it in the first place and if the state had been the one defending their own vote, the Supreme Court would have heard it instead of letting a lower court ruling remain.

    So maybe they vote out those who didn't support their vote.
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    As predicted the GOP has loons like this jumping up: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/rep-tim-huelskamp-to-file-constitutional-amendment-to-restore-doma-93430.html. I'm not sure what demographic they hope to win votes in by responding to the Supreme Court's ruling that it was motivated by animus and served only to demean with "Absolutely! And we'd do it again given the chance!".

    So unless the party can get people to step away from this stance yeah, there will be a voting impact. The GOP is inexplicably going to manage to find a way to lose votes when the Supreme Court does them the favor of mooting what is wholly a losing issue for them now.
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    BS! California voters voted against gay marriage. How many more liberal states are there than California on social issues.

    You lefties are good at trying to revise the actual evens that just took place.

    There is no need to take gay marriage off anyone's agenda.
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    If I remember correctly the big surprise in California on the gay marriage vote was the large turnout and cross over of African Americans to the anti-gay side, so perhaps on THIS particular issue Cali is not as liberal as a more homogenous state.......
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    not likely to be much in the way of voting ramifications due to the already entrenched platforms of both parties on the issue.

    The only way there cold be some ramifications is if one party or the other goes overboard in their response to the rulings

    Democrats/liberals could go overboard by seeing it as a major victory and giving them the incentive to force gay/lesbian and other 'equal rights' measures in a very massive and large scale effort. Doing this would likely invigorate the ultra lib base while at the same time scare off moderates and independents who would shift to the right

    Republicans/conservatives could go overboard by going into a 'sky is falling' type panic mode and getting even more aggressive in measures against equal rights for gays/lesbians or other groups. Doing this would likely invigorate the ultra con base and scare off moderates/independents who would shift to the left
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    I have a couple of lesbians who work for me and they are both registered pubs and they both had stickers on their cars for Romney- I think if you are a bleeding heart lib it really makes no diff if you are homosexual or straight
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    And in other states that have voted for Gay Marriage, "gay militant" groups armed with buckets of cash for advertising, ascended on these states with the same adds showing parents (usually military veterans) with a gay son or daughter who wanted to marry a same sex partner. Of course the media was on their side and their pitch was that if you "opposed" gay marriage it must be because you are bigoted.

    Sound familiar. Change the word bigot to "racist" and you have the theme used for disagreement with Obama.

    Maine's residents voted gay marriage down once. Then the "militants" got the vote tossed, came in with millions, got the state newspaper (owned by a big lib) to back them and narrowly got it passed. I would guess the same happened in New Hampshire.
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    "I have a couple of lesbians who work for me and they are both registered pubs and they both had stickers on their cars for Romney- I think if you are a bleeding heart lib it really makes no diff if you are homosexual or straight"

    true--gays/lesbians of both parties are known to drive around with bumper stickers proclaiming that on their cars.

    However--if you are a gay or lesbian desiring to run for political office---
    ---if the person wants to run as a GOP and openly proclaims themself as gay or lesbian---probably won't make it thru the primaries. Especially in deep south and other areas that are socially ultra con. Hence the tendency perhaps for them to not proclaim themself as gay or lesbian. And with risk of being 'outed' later. This is reinforced by the GOP platform regarding rights of gays/lesbians in regard to marriage, military, etc
    on the other hand
    ---if a person wants to run as a Dem and openly proclaims themself as gay or lesbian---it is pretty much a non issue for the most part to Dem voters. Unless the person is running for office in an extremely ultra con district. If a person openly runs as a gay or lesbian there is nothing to be 'outed' about in regard to their being gay or lesbian since that is already public knowledge. They are also less likly to be targets for blackmail in regard to their sexuality. Once again because it is already known to the public. This is reinforced by the Dem platform regarding gays/lesbians
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    61% voted for it, yet the government will not back the majority in the court system. So if it is the biggest issue for some, things can change with one vote.
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    old-instead of copying and pasting just go the the post you want to quote and click the little box that says quote-it makes it easier for us old farts to follow
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    usually yes. But then you get posts that have a ton of boxes in it. then next poster boxes that, and so on....and we get posts that are incredibly long with a bunch of boxes in it.
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    At some point the so called social issues will have an impact on all of society & a culture.

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