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Discussion in 'Awesome Recruiting' started by EZE2005, Feb 5, 2014.
Wonder if Urbs spasmed
You're taking what I said out of context.
I never said that approach couldn't yield short-term success. It should have been fairly obvious that the issue with that approach is maintaining success over the long haul (i.e., "then one day you wake up").
Before UF, Urban had never been head coach at a school for more than 2 years. He has clearly proven that he can build a program. He has yet to prove that he can sustain a successful program.
Less than nothing. Meyer knows how to win and thats all that matters in life. Meyer is at a school where winning is easy. In the end Meyer is the winner and we as Gators fans are the losers.
Listen, Meyer is a snake, and he clearly took his foot off the gas and his eyes off the road after the 2009 season, and after coming back half-heartedly in 2010, he left UF in a bad position, and he certainly does not deserve our love.
But let's be clear... the man is 49 years old and has compiled a head coaching record of 128-25. He has 2 undefeated seasons, and has won 12 or more games SIX TIMES in only 12 years of coaching. Only Chris Petersen at Boise State has a higher winning percentage with over 100 games coached out of active coaches.
He has coached in 5 BCS bowl games, and won 4. He has won 2 national championships. He put together some of the best Florida teams of all time.
So yes, say what you want. he is a snake and a liar and a horrible human being, or at least it looks that way.
But the man knows how to coach and win college football games. To say anything else about his recruiting ability and his coaching ability is just hating and ignoring facts.
And the fact is, even half asleep, barely caring about his job, UF still was able to win 8 games in a season in 2010. No way, NO WAY, does Florida lose 8 games in 2013 with Urban Meyer as head coach.
Which is why I'm not all that disappointed that Riggs is leaving. I mean, I appreciate what he did and he's a good player at safety, but the mentality in the locker room has got to be focused on what can be done to help and benefit the team. We've seen guys like Janoris Jenkins, Will Hill, Gary Brown, and on and on and on.
Muschamp is a standup guy, going off of what we hear from these kids. Doesn't guarantee a starting spot, lets them know they're going to have to work extremely hard, and doesn't make promises he can't keep.
Meyer's coaching record is impressive, no doubt. But what you failed to mention is that over those 12 years, he has been at 4 schools. That's an average of 3 years per school, not nearly enough time to establish a program that is built to last. That's the whole point though: it's not about the program, it's about Urban. He's a mercenary that can come in and give a huge boost to a program, even a moderately successful one. But he has not shown the staying power of a coach like Peterson, Saban, et al. Not yet, because he's never stayed anywhere long enough.
So when you say he "knows how to coach and win college football games," that's true. But does he know how to build and *sustain* a winner? Remains to be seen. Let's see what happens at OSU when he has a rash of injuries or -- if my instincts are correct -- he loses some control of the team by setting the wrong tone with players as he is recruiting them. Will he stick around and battle through the adversity or will he bail because the situation is weighing on his win percentage?
"...if my instincts are correct -- he loses some control of the team by setting the wrong tone with players as he is recruiting them. Will he stick around and battle through the adversity or will he bail because the situation is weighing on his win percentage?"
Once again... Mr. Nicho hits the three pointer...
And folks want to take things out of context. Sure, winning is always #1. Ask Spurrier.
But you win AND... it is done the right way. That... has been, is now... and will always be... the point.
Don't sell the farm to incoming recruits because once their are in the barn... the hay catches fire... very easily.
... once again... if you get my drift.
perhaps i'm being naive, but after reading Riggs' comments about his transfer in Andy Staples' SI article there's no way i would include him in a list of guys with that kind of mentality.
There's nowhere else to go.
You cannot compare the team Urban Meyer adopted to the team Will Mustchamp adopted.
Not discounting the other players but when you land a Tebow and Harvin in the same class, you should win; and win big. Meyers way of recruiting is great for a few years and then it has its problems as we all saw. Speaking truths her nothing to do with making one feel better.
And that comment there shows your mindset!
Thanks for the laugh....try following recruiting.....it'll help with your arguments.
You know you're in trouble when this one^^^^is supporting you.
Too true... but seriously detract from his rants.
Just plain dumb.
It could certainly be argued we didn't fill needs at RB and WR. Defense, QB, TE, OL look pretty strong.
Don't see how anyone can argue that to be honest. We recruited really well last year and we got 2 good possession receivers this year. Taylor is a SO and Lane was a RS. Powell looks to be a good addition and we still have Jones and Brown.
Time will tell. In terms of sheer talent and numbers, there are a lot of teams whose WR/RB classes you would trade for ours, even though we love our commits. DL/QB, even OL, probably not.
And btw, that doesn't mean we won't be thrilled with a couple players we think are set to play one position and ultimately end up at another.
Sure going by hype alone but like many have said the two receivers we got out performed Lane big time against the same or similar competition. Cook leaving hurt, and I'd love to have him, but his attitude/ego would've never meshed with Muschamp and company. Give me the worker bees lol