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Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by mulegator, May 27, 2014.
Fact. That's all I needed to know, no need for a conjunction following it.
I watched four of their games last year, including the USCe game. Bortles was great, but he wasn't the entire team. He didn't have the same impact Tebow had in 2009. UCF may not be a 12-1 team, but the foundation is there for a ten win team.
All the time. But if I have to bet my mortgage on any game, I'd trust Steele's analysis more than anyone else by FAR! He has a handle on many teams better than others. He has a particularly good read on Florida the last several years.
And had Florida 12th...
The fact that Phil Steele is not ALWAYS right does not diminish his track record, which is outstanding. Steele's research, depth of information, breadth of knowledge, sound judgement and accuracy are well documented.
This is the only information relevant to my question.
The fact that he is not always right is the only thing that I wanted to say.
I have nothing against Phil Steele, but I think it's a joke to use a preseason ranking, regardless of by whom, as anything more than pure fun. Too many things can happen between now and then.
That simply CANNOT be possible, they have the greatest QB of ALL TIME leading that team this year, the incomparable jacoby brissett! They are a LOCK for the playoff!!!
According to his friends and shills on this site. LOL.
Can't recall anyone making claims even remotely like "greatest QB of ALL TIME". Sounds more like your personal reaction to anyone considering Brissett as a legit and possibly better alternative to Driskel.
Now people (myself included) have made claims that Brissett had better pocket presence and poise (in 2011/2012), and some natural leadership ability. Those aspects of his game were quite evident and most everyone agreed to, I believe.
I suspect Brissett will be a successful college QB because of those attributes. Hopefully Driskel has an offense best suited to him and the right coaching now, so he will be successful as well. The team certainly needs that.
Yeah that foundation is there because of their schedule; not their personnel. They recruit twice as bad as Missouri and you made recruiting a point earlier in this thread. Only one of the last 4 recruiting classes have they finished in the top 50; other than that they have averaged around 70th. So they are going to go into Columbus with less talent, less coaching imo, and win? And you're basing this off of a foundation very much aided by their schedule? I don't see it.
I'm not sure you can make the comparison with Tebow; even if you could I think you're wrong. I don't need the stats repeated to me but reseArch UCF and figure the numbers out. Bortles and Johnson wag that team. Without Bortles they don't beat Louisville, Baylor, or Penn State. Hell, there were like 4 other games, against lesser opponents, that they would've loss without Bortles as QB. They're not that great of a team. They got lucky and got a franchise QB.
I'm aware, my point was to challenge the point you were trying to make in regards to this year's power rankings between Missouri and UCF.
Time proves all things, my friend. Many teams can say that, I suppose. Florida from 2007-9, USCe the last three years, Alabama, LSU, Georgia...
Since 2007, however, the Knights have had some good teams, and Bortles wasn't on all of them. he was only the starter for two years. Not saying they are world beaters, but I think they will be competitive.
And if you are going to use relative recruiting as a criteria, there is no way in Hell that Mizzou will EVER win ten games in the SEC. After all, in recruiting, the only teams that consistently recruit worse than Mizzou are Kentucky and Vandy.
If UCF beats a weakened Mizzou team, it would not surprise me in the least...
I agree that time will tell but comparing UCF to teams like UF and USCe don't compute. They each recruit much better and had players other then their QB or RB or whoever. Missouri won 12 games last year!
Have to factor in how weak the AAC is too, so that will help them to get to 10 wins.
UCF is now a legitimate top 25 program. Get used to it.
I'm not raining on the UCF parade here, but I would be shocked if they go into Missouri and win, replacing some of the big names they lost of that BCS team.
Missouri lost a ton, they did, it's true, but they are going to be very strong on both LOS. They have good RB depth returning behind that OL, and a good dual threat QB that fits their system. Their two DEs, Ray and Golden, will be one of the best duos in the SEC.
UCF is coming in with a new QB, and a lot of changes on the offensive line. They will face a relentless pass rush, and probably lose by a couple scores.
UCF's defense will be good, but not good enough to win the game on the road.
You make a strong argument. I could be way off base predicting a big UCF win at Missouri .. but I'm sticking to my guns.
And until the Gators and the Hurricanes prove otherwise .. UCF is the second best team in the state.
UCF won 7 games last year by one score or less. Very rarely is that repeated.
Their best wins before the bowl game:
Louisville - 11-1 (7-1) - Only beat two teams with winning records - best win was against a 9-4 Cinci team whos only victory over a team with a winning record was against Houston 8-5.
Houston - 8-5 (5-3) - only beat 1 team with a winning record 10-4 Rice
Penn State - 7-5 (4-4)
That was it.
Their combined opponents record was 53-81. That is RIDICULOUSLY bad, and a lot of those terrible teams almost beat UCF.
The only reason that UCF was the 2nd beat team in the state is because the rest of the state was so GOD AWFUL at football last year outside of FSU.
UM = 9-4 (5-3) only beat three teams with winning records (all 7-6, pitt, GT, and NC)
FAU = 6-6
UF = 4-8
USF = 2-10
FIU = 1-11
Why? The only reason I see is their schedule.
UCF got Lucky when they landed Bortles; an unknown gem.