US increases citizenship renunciation fee from $450 to $2,350

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    One more, from the Canadian point of view:
    http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2014/...uncle-sam-as-bully-for-one-way-tax-crackdown/
    From the article:
    In light of FATCA, a former alderman and mayor of the municipality of Delta, Beth Johnson, is relieved she relinquished her U.S. citizenship years ago.
    A proud Canadian who includes the phrase “ocanada” in her email address, Johnson became a Canadian citizen in the early 1970s and correctly assumed, at least for that time, that her formal commitment to Canada meant she had forfeited her U.S. passport. But then a U.S. Supreme Court challenge in the late 1980s led to a change in U.S. citizenship law.
    “I find what happened next to be breathtakingly arrogant,” Johnson said. “They (U.S. lawmakers) gave all of us our citizenship back — without asking us if we wanted it, or telling us that they did it. I didn’t find out that I was once again considered a U.S.A. citizen until I applied for my Nexus card.”
    Preferring “kinder, gentler” Canada to the aggressive and individualistic U.S., Johnson greatly appreciates her adopted country, which she says balances personal freedoms and capitalism with respect for government agencies and “the needs of all.”
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    Follow your signature advice, oh wise one.
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    i disagree. what you find 'humorous' is likely gonna be different from what i find humorous. i think it's funny that there are conservatives whining about lefty agendas and saying they're gonna leave the u.s., but the countries that they mention that they're planning on going to, are more stylistically socialist. you find 'leftists clamoring for more money ya da ya da ya da' more amusing.
    and therein lies the difference.

    in other words 'not AS humorous' is in the eye and mind of the individual
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    I was just wanted to point out that you're being true to your modus operandi with your tantrums and insults.
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    Anyone out there is welcome to read any of the articles I've linked to educate yourselves more on this important topic.
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    i don't really care. my comment on this thread is only about the amusement i find in anti-government, anti-socialist rightwingers yapping about leaving the u.s. for countries that have 'more government socialist-style programs' than the u.s.
    not seeing where there is a life or death reason to 'educate myself on this important topic'
    if the day comes when that affects me, i can do the research myself without assistance.
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    just a bit hysterical, don't you think?
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    A shame those beheaded journalists didn't owe the IRS any taxes. Obama would have moved Heaven and Earth to bring them back alive.
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    It's a fact.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expatriation_tax

    The reason people didn't expatriate was to live abroad where it is cheaper, but come back a month out of each year to maintain residency. Because of the Gestapo of the IRS tax laws, one can't do this anymore due to paying increasingly higher taxes abroad. It is now too expensive to live abroad as a US citizen without renouncing citizenship. Now 3,000 people doesn't seem like much, but only a few hundred did this before Obama came into the WH. The consensus is this number will grow to 30,000 by 2020 and keep going up because of the large number of Baby Boomers retiring over the next 20 years. Look, it takes a lot for somebody to leave the country they were born and raised in but as people travel they see a different world and that world is looking better and better every year.

    My wife and I would do it if not for our kids but what if our kids moved overseas? Today's young adults aren't exactly wanting to stay in the US where work isn't plentiful. To me that is the smoking gun. If the youth increasingly leave, their parents might too.
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    Hate to tell you this but more and more democrats and especially independents are looking at other countries. Why is it that so many Hollyweird actors live abroad? They like it there, that's why. It's also far cheaper and less intrusive. The problem in the past was these countries had tough avenues to citizenship, but that is changing almost on a monthly basis. I have passports to Ecuador, Peru, Chile, and Italy. I might use them one day if I have to but it's a good option to have just in case. Do a search on Simon Black. He writes a newsletter for expatriates that covers how to gain citizenship in other countries. His take is no one should put all of their eggs in one basket and he feels that the West is dying like all other civilizations before them have done. Not one civilization ever stayed on top. Not one.
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    did someone mention the irs or those beheaded journalists? i must have missed that.
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    still don't care. again, you're talking about leaving this country for countries with more government, more government programs.
    'they like it there'. as in 'where'? which country?
    so you have passports to ecuador and chile. nice. because south america is known for it's, er, stability.
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    So, who besides the US taxes their citizens living abroad? Only one, Etitrea. They charge 2% but it is expected, but not required. Most pay it and a good percentage actually pay more because, ::gasp::, they want to.
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    ecuador:
    .1% white
    94% speak spanish, their official language
    universal health care.


    ok. i'm kinda laughing at you.
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    You sound like an educated man. Please take the time to read the articles I linked. Basically, the US is running around acting like a drug addict,trying to get 5 bucks here, 10 bucks there to feed its habit. People who have little to no connection to this country are getting caught up in the IRS snare. One such person was the mayor of a Vancouver suburb.
    I feel your pain and concern. I'm considering a move to Canada in order to create opportunity for my kids. I have an easier path into Canada as a doctor, and it may be tougher for my kids to emigrate on their own if/when this country hits critical mass.
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    Please ignore the poster on here who's insulting your intelligence. It's extremely hard to carry on a conversation with someone who just wants to annoy.But I applaud your planning and your foresight. I personally have patients that have moved to Belize and Costa Rica. From what they tell me, very libertarian, affordable, and American friendly. Not my cup of tea, but go for it if it floats your boat.
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    So you'd rather pay 5000% more taxes for 3rd world services like Obamacare? Most services I know of in places like Taiwan makes what we have look Medieval. I know of several couples who live in Taiwan who were shocked at how good their healthcare is compared to ours. If I'm going to be forced to pay, I want good service. Case in point, a guy I correspond with in Chile went to have polyps removed and the doctor who attended John Hopkins in the US performed the surgery and all he paid was $75. No waiting lists either. All of my Indian friends here in the US don't go to US clinics because they can do everything back home cheaper and better. I asked the same question you all ask, "but it's India, hospitals can't compare to the US". They do because most doctors there came from the US because it's better overseas than it is here for doctors. They don't need 6 figure income when their costs are a tiny % compared to working in the US. Even with my PPO, I pay $40 but I also pay for any extra services not covered. For them, they pay one flat low fee and get everything done including lab work and specialists.
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    third world services? don't we have the 'best healthcare in the world'? i've heard that plenty on this forum.

    and that still doesn't make it any less funny than your willingness to leave this country for a country that has a lot of the things going for itself that rightwingers rail against.

    94% speak spanish. i hear lots of grumbling here about having spanish secondary to english here.

    changing demographics here. i shouldn't even have to explain that one.

    again, universal healthcare. you can call obamacare 'crap' but keep in mind that we on the left wanted authentic universal healthcare. obamacare was a compromise, because we couldnt get universal coverage through.
    so again, this is still amusing.
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    and then there's deco, wanting to move to a country (canada) that already has universal healthcare.

    you guys have bitched yourselves green in the face about obamacare.
    and somewhere along the way, you've forgotten that we actually WANTED universal healthcare. the ideas contained in obamacare came from rightwingy ideas.

    you guys don't even see how funny this is to us....
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    So in other words, you support universal health car or single payer health care (India has universal, Taiwan, single payer)?

    It's hard to say it's all Obamacare problems (leaving aside the nonsense 3rd world service comment). It's not like we didn't have a gazillion problems before, including paying much more and getting less...though that's change in some really important ways.

    And do you support social security? Given your earlier point lamenting the limited social security income of some folks who might want to retire to a different country, how this increase can cause problems for them?
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