US drone strike kills 13 civilians headed to wedding

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    But I am sure they hate us because we are free. Nobel Peace Prize or toilet paper? What is more valuable?

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/1...oy-heading-to-wedding-party-yemeni-officials/

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/12/world/meast/yemen-u-s-drone-wedding/index.html?hpt=wo_c2
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    ooops. Not good
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    Where do we get the legal authority and/or moral right to assassinate citizens of other countries with whom we are not at war?
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    From obama he writes his own laws
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    Might makes right. And as Obama reportedly told aides during the 2012 campaign, "I'm really good at killing people."
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    Bush did it.

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    right. we never fired a shot in a country we hadn't officially declared war on before. Obama is the FIRST president to eer do it ....

    but back to the real world. I say we get the hell out of there.
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    I have no doubt any future U.S. President will continue to use drones the way Obama has. He does have blood on his hands from expanding their mission and with the frequency of his strikes, but the next person we elect, Dem or Repub, isn't going to scale them back one bit. In fact, they'll probably increase their use.

    This is the problem with military force by remote joystick. Where does it end, and how many future terrorists are we spawning in the process?

    I have no doubt there's relatives of the family that was killed in Yemen who are looking up 1-800-Al-Qaeda in the phonebook.
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    But but.... it was supposed to be a different administration
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    Should we wait until they attack us first? Not the people in this instance--I think we both know that this was a tragic accident, not a deliberate attempt to assasinate innocents...the people who are the reason we're there in the first place: Al Qaeda extremists?
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    I'm assuming our CIA are/were working with the Yemeni government? That might give them some "legal" authority. Although it seems they operate in Pakistain, and the Pakistani's don't approve them at all. Then again, in remote areas of Pakistan there is little government control.. and that's where so many terrorists are holed up. So who really COULD give a legal authority to go after them there?

    It is obviously devastating whenever a mistake is made. You basically can't afford "mistakes" that take out large number of civilians, and don't get any bad guys at all. They need to bat as close to 1.000 with this, and killing 13 civilians on one go is obviously not good.

    I'm for the use of drone strikes in general. But after an incident like this, maybe they should take a second look at the "broadening" of the drone program - and how they verify targets (that probably goes without saying).
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    I'd rather live with the absurdly remote possibility of getting killed by terrorists than live with knowing that the sweat of my own brow helps pay for this sort of thing.
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    Liberals will be for this.
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    Well said.
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    Mistake or not it is very sad.
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    I have supported drone strikes over the years as a much better method than invading countries. But just imagine if this had happened on US soil. These mistakes are a huge deal, we need better controls in place than what we have.
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    Fair enough, I can't ever argue otherwise. Personally, I would hope and expect our country to have a 100% batting average in those that we target.

    But it's hopelessly unrealistic to expect (and demand) those numbers. For me, that comes with being in combat against enemies that try to blend into the local civilian population in order to avoid extermination and, cynically, in order to dare us to target potential civilian targets.

    Our enemies in this instance don't exactly wear uniforms. That's an important fact to note and to keep in perspective.
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    If it happened on US soil by some foreign enemy, it's pretty much a given that 98% of the board would be PISSED beyond words (including me).

    But as someone who's familiar with the process and how we evaluate drone strikes, I can assure you that it's not something we take lightly. It is most certainly not "shoot first and ask questions later." No...there needs to be multiple indicators that what we're targeting is the real-deal and not a random grouping of innocent civilians.

    Those with perspective will understand that it's impossible to be accurate 100% of the time (though that is a standard our country strives for). Incidents like this aren't greeted with a shrug by the military, but with investigations as to what happened and how we can do it differently.

    A far cry from the enemies we face, who don't particularly care who they kill, so long as it kills the requisite numbers of "infidels." A fact I wish more people had the perspective to appreciate.

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