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    Don't you get it, this is a one way road. The republicans are responsible for all of the countries problems, get with the program.
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    No it can't. He brought the House CR bill to a vote. They voted on an amendment and the CR bill after the amendment. Both the amendment and the amended CR passed. The House CR would not have passed the Senate without the amendment. The Senate CR would pass the House as it is currently structured if brought up for a vote.

    So no there is no equivalency to be found here.
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    Which Senate Democrats are on record saying that they would vote for the House version of the CR if Reid let it be voted on?
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    Had the Senate passed the House CR as presented ..... there'd be no partial showdown and hopefully Barry and harry would be negotiating the "unpatriotic" increase in the debt ceiling. Had the Senate voted on and passed the other funding measures presented by the House ... the partial slowdown would be even smaller ... and perhaps over. But nope ... Harry will not do it.

    So here we sit ... with the Barry and harry shut down of the Senate and executive branch.
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    Again, the votes aren't there for the House CR in the Senate. The votes are there for the Senate CR in the House. That is why Reid brought the CR up for a vote in the Senate, as he knew he had the votes to strip the Obamacare section and pass the rest of the bill. That is why Boehner won't bring the CR up in the House, because he knows it will pass in exactly the same form as the Senate sent it to them.

    Government should not be funded based on which department got to be the front page story in the Washington Post that day. The Republican plan of playing whack a mole with departments (oh look over there, people like National Parks...oh wait, people are angry that we can't have clinical trials...oh we need to run DC....oh, fisheries regulations are important...oh, families of government/military employees killed in the line of duty don't get the benefits they were promised upon death...etc. etc. etc) based on what made the papers is an atrocious funding strategy. I am glad that they finally acknowledge that government does some important things. Now if they would just let the majority of the House vote on the CR (instead of insisting on a completely arbitrary majority of the majority), we can all have those things back.
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    So you admit the Senate has stalled this matter.

    It has a number of funding measures that would open those few parts of the federal government that are on "partial slow down". You may not like that .... but that is where the failures of Barry and Harry have put the nation. You accept those "changes" and move forward with "hope" that Barry and Harry are willing to participate in discussions to pass an increase in the debt ceiling. I know Barry is reluctant to address the debt ceiling because he believes:

    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies."

    and

    "Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that "the buck stops here.'' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."
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    The Senate stalled the matter by voting on and approving a measure with majority support in the House? Yah I'm not sure your argument really is logical here. Again, what is stalling everything is that a bill with majority support in both chambers is being hung up in the House based on a rule adopted by only one party (the Republicans) in which a bill needs to have not just majority support but also majority of the majority support. If you want to talk about what is holding up the funding of government, it is that.
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    ............................................................ :no:

    Unbelievable .... just continuing to defend the failures of Obama and Reid.

    "And the cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the Federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and States of critical investments in infrastructure like


    bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on. Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America's priorities. Instead, interest payments are a significant tax on all Americans — a debt tax that Washington doesn't want to talk about. If Washington were serious about honest tax relief in this country, we would see an effort to reduce our national debt by returning to responsible fiscal policies."
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    I would say it was unbelievable that your arguments have devolved into convoluted attempts to change the subject to debt ceilings or the effects of long-term debts in a discussion of the CR issue, while burying your head in the ground (or elsewhere)and screaming it is all the Democrats fault (without logical basis), but it is unfortunately not.

    If you would like to make some sort of reasoned and logical argument, I would welcome it (even when it disagrees with my viewpoint). If, instead, you just want to keep regurgitating unrelated and random negative thoughts about Democrats, I really don't see the need for continued discussion. We get it, you don't like Democrats. Now, can you make reasoned and well-thought out arguments on a topic being discussed?
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    Once you've made a rational point ... and discontinue the erroneous assertion that the Senate has done all it can to resolve the outstanding matters ... when it simply has not.

    It had a chance to pass the CR from the House as presented yet it did not and the partial slowdown resulted ... from the Senate's failure. Subsequently, Reid and Obama stated they would do nothing (would not negotiate) to bring about a resolution of the differences between the democrats in the Senate and the Executive branch ... and Republican controlled House. So .. here we all sit waiting for Barry and Harry to do something. Instead ... "like terrorists" they use the "threat" of a "calamitous financial default" in an attempt "to extort" concessions from the House ..... concessions that would condone and continue to expand America's "debt problem" and "failure of leadership". "Americans deserve better" ... than the status quo from this ineffective administration and Reid's leadership failures.

    You don't agree with me. Fine. I hope you are satisfied with the consequences of Barry's and Harry's failures ..... as you seem to condone if not sanction what they are doing ... or I should say, not doing.:joecool:

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