UN Report shows Assad almost certainly responsible for chemical weapons

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    I understand that. Rwanda is another example, not of WMD use, but of how selective we are reacting to slaughter. What's the difference if Assad used WMD and kills a few hundred people compared to situations where thousands are killed by conventional means? It's NOT the WMD, those turn out to be an excuse for war mongers.

    Why were we so ready to bomb Assad when it seems reasonable that would more likely make the WMD's in Syria to fall into real enemy hands? I don't know the answer but boy if Kerry had his way....
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    Kill half a million using machetes and guns...............oh well

    Kill 1400 using gas...................good God, we have to do something.
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    I'm sure the remaining family members of those murdered will take comfort in your comparison, but of course you don't consider factual evidence when you draw conclusions, so why bother.
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    As will all of those of the other 100,000 that have been killed. As will those who will still be killed whether they have chemical weapons or not. As will those in the future because that's the way they roll over there.
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    it could be argued that Rwanda is not in our national security interests. a ME with Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq all in civil war and Turkey brewing with all the refugees while Iran is building their bomb is of national interests. There is no reason that the UN and African "peace keeping" forces should not have been involved in Rwanda early on. None.

    those wmd's take a bit of expertise to maintain as viable and then to combine to create the gas that then has to be loaded into weapons and delivered. not sure that anybody that came into possession of the raw materials would be able to effectively deploy them. ideally, Assad is convinced to leave and alawite tribal leaders broker deal with UN to dispose of them and allow them to be secured in a rapid manner.

    we need to support the sunni in Syria that are not aligned with AQ. Once the y have weapons and funding, many of those aligned with AQ will switch but right now they have no choice but to accept whatever help they can get. The final has to be a brokered settlement with alawite and sunni represented in a secular form of gubmnt and both fighting against/freezing out extremists from their own sides. Choosing between Assad/Hezbollah and AQ are not the only options but the longer we wait, the stronger those two positions become.
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    If you want to argue the domino approach for a justification to enter another conflict we will just have disagree and leave it at that. When it comes to the Middle East, America is woefully ignorant and yet thinks it knows best how to cure the region's ills. We're a lot like Boss Hogg with a glut of resources and still manage to botch everything.

    The fact of the matter is that there are a multitude of other countries in a position to act, if necessary, that would be affected much earlier and much more significantly. Don't kid yourself. This is a stand on mere principle and not well thought out at that.
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    As I recall you were one of the posters who said that we had our panties in a wad over the handful of deaths in Benghazi when we should be upset about the thousands who died in Iraq?
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    There is no near conclusive proof. The only "proof" is the non sense war propaganda by America which is about as credible as the WMD non sense. In fact, the evidence points to the contrary that the rebels are the ones who did the chemical attacks. Russia has submitted a 100 page report with evidence that the rebels are the ones who used the chemical weapons. A UN official has said that the rebels did the chemical attack. Asad has had chemical weapons for over 40 years and now all of the sudden he randomly starts to use them on his people?

    It is already a confirmed fact that the rebels are Al Qaeda and has committed many suicide attacks against innocent people in Syria including beheading a newborn baby, which the US government even admits is true. I'd say they are the ones more likely to be using chemical weapons, not some government that has a 40 year track record of not using chemical weapons on its people.

    Also America is bankrupt and needs to stop worrying about other nations. I am sure who were against being the global policemen under Bush.

    Don't you find it odd that the US's entire focus is Asad and that Obama wants to bomb Syria to help the rebels when the US government itself admits the rebels are Al Qaeda (just like the Libya "rebels") and also admits they commit many suicide terrorist attacks against innocent Syrians?
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    I want you proponents of this to explain how our bombing suspected weapon's caches and killing Assad's forces is going to stabilize the region. Russia and China have already strongly disapproved of the action but somehow our doing it is going to add to stability to an already unstable country.

    Now we don't have to kowtow to either Russia or China but we should take into account how they will react and the very real possibility our actions will be what brings about an escalation in the region which can grow out of control.

    The thing is we are so damned arrogant we don't think we have to care what the rest of the world thinks or does. We walk around believing, since we are the biggest, baddest kid on the block, that anything we do is OK because might makes right. We pay no attention whatsoever to the chit we are in due to this kind of policy and for some crazy reason believe repeating it over and over will somehow bring about different results.

    Sheer madness. Nothing else.
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    One of the very reasons I go to the polls and look at our choice of candidates for POTUS and get depressed.
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    Where are the rest of the Arab countries on this? Why are not they at the UN demanding UN action?
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    Sitting on the sidelines laughing at our dumb asses more than likely
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    who cares about international law??
    NO ONE.
    OA and BA have both killed TENS of thousands of civilians----not intentionally of course---but we sure as hell killed them.

    We have also killed THOUSANDS of children---sucks for them---want to bring Obama and Bush to trial???

    There is NOTHING the OA can do to help that will not cause as much or more harm. Children are to be cared for by their parents---the parents have chosen to attack the US and Israel for DECADES while supporting either despots like Assad or Islamic law on the other---and now they want our help to impose their DEVIATED values after they win???

    Now---if we DO anything, it has NOTHING to do with helping children---it will have to do with imposing US power over a Russian puppet state and Iranian vassel---if OA wants to do that to achieve that goal---he has my support---but not to help children of Syria.
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    But the debt ceiling is coming soon and the Dems need a diversion...
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    Yep, expect an attack within the next two weeks.
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    Under a false flag?
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    You can make that argument in just about every civil war. It is always a situation where bigger powers can come in..it just doesn't happen that often. That's what they were saying in Vietnam
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    You keep bringing Hitler into this to try and make your point when the two situations could not be more different. The situation in Syria is about a legitimate government daring to exercise their right to protect their country by winning a war they didn't start against a bunch of terrorists. The Jews in Europe weren't setting people on fire and throwing them off buildings and threatening the local Christians. The civilian casualties are tragic but the truth is they would have never happened if the terrorists hadn't started this war.

    Staying out of Syria is the right thing to do. We're already making a huge mistake by arming the terrorists.
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    Actually, they're more than likely the ones Syria got from Russia long before we started the Iraq war.
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    Yes, and?

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