Uh-ohz Libs - your boy Nate Silver says odds of GOP taking Senate in '14 are a tossup

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    Where's Dave? If memory serves, he's the resident "I'll tell you what your political ideology is" poster. He'll settle this.
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    Who were you talking about??
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    He's on first.
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    Once Democrats went after our founding fathers on guns, the tide changed.

    They will never learn how this alone keeps many from voting for them.
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    There are two distinct thoughts in that post. One was about you (agreeing with the ideology of social liberty but not espousing said beliefs), the other was in relation to the thread at that point about who libertarians would dislike.

    Neither had anything to do with calling you out as a libertarian so I really don't know where you got that. If somebody says they're a libertarian, then they are.
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    If the point of being a Libertarian is to let all be free do their thing, what are they really when they fight others who only want to use that freedom to choose their own way.
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    I guess it would depend on whether "choosing their own way" infringes upon the rights of others. If it does not, a libertarian would theoretically have nothing against it. It it does, even a hardline libertarian should fight against the act, as libertarianism ideally promotes both positive and negative liberty.
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    Maybe Im having a bad day, but Im not quite sure I get what you are saying here.
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    I can't tell a dimes worth of difference in your stances and the Tea Party.

    To me a libertarian supports other views as well, as you are supposed to be for freedom to choose for yourself.

    Even if you disagree with that opinion.
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    Why the hate on Nate?
    Show me the numbers showing ANYONE else has come as close to him as often as him?

    WHy do dome CONS ignore data???

    He is VERY clear that he is a liberal---he is also VERY clear where to separate his data and predictions from his beliefs.....

    WHy does that bother so many?
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    So silly
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    And I've never voted tea party
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    The Tea Party runs as Republican. You sure you never voted for one.

    Do you have anything more than so silly. As you get pretty fired up over some things that are out of the TP handbook.

    My observation is, I liked libertarians a lot more before I read your stuff which amounts to attacking posters due to their stances. Which is exactly what I mean when I find it strange that people set on allowing freedom hate is so much when they use it.
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    I could be wrong but I think what he's saying is, the Libertarian philosophy is not "anything goes, do whatever you want." It's more like do whatever you want as long as it's not interfering in some way with somebody else who's trying to do whatever they want. Or maybe that's what you were saying? I don't know who is saying what.

    THIRD BASE!
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    Im sure. I vote libertarian, unless there is no libertarian candidate. If there isn't, I either don't vote at all, or hold my nose and vote Republican. Happens from time to time on local election stuff, not too much though. None of them, two my knowledge, ran on tea party platforms...could be misktaken I guess.
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    That is exactly right. Being libertarian doesn't mean disagreeing and keeping one's mouth shut.
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    A bit off topic, but it looks like Nate Silver has now turned effective statistical work into a new job on ESPN/ABC/Disney. It sounds like he will go back to doing more sports, especially in non-political years, while splitting time between politics and sports in election years.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/20/b...s-to-join-espn-staff.html?smid=tw-share&_r=2&

    Once again, the free market is rewarding success. Nate Silver was the second best prognosticator, behind only Marcos Moulitsas from Daily Kos. They both nailed all Presidential swing states. Now Silver has turned good performance into a nice TV job. Meanwhile, the worst prognosticator (Dick Morris) has lost his nice TV job. The free market is certainly working in the intended manner here.

    http://www.voteseeing.com/2012/11/2012-presidential-prediction-rankings.html
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    Here is a good article on the fight between Espn and the NYtimes for silver.
    Just one more sign print media is dying, the Times gave him everything he asked for, including a staff of 6-12, forays into other sections etc, and he still walked away. Really hurts the paper, he was a large portion of their site hits.


    http://www.politico.com/playbook/

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