Whitelake You are making a lot of assumptions about me...most of them deragotory. Why? Because we disagree on something? How am I hanging on to the he was reaching for a weapon ad naseum? I even said that it was what the shooter said. Meaning it was hearsay based on the shooter... No one deprived the young man of his rights. He forfieted them when he became a threat to the man and his family. You do not seem to percieve someone in the mans yard near his house at that time of the day in that neighborhood as a threat. I do. I lived near there. I know what it is like. I too would have percieved it as a threat. this man did not step out in the street take aim at a fleeing kid and shoot him dead. He did not go looking for the confrontation. This isn't even as murky as GZ case. This guy was in his home. Minding his own business when someone tried to rob him. In a neighborhood where armed robbery was common place. In the middle of the night. You do not see a threat. Fine. I do.