Uh oh....standing his ground...

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  1. kygator
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    Someone going into their own backyard isn't looking for trouble. Someone jumping a fence into someone else's yard at 2am is looking for trouble.

    He did have a reason to go outside. It was his property. The person who had no reason to be there was the criminal.
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    Whitelake,

    Seeing the unsolved murder just days earlier, on the same street, also in a home burglary......

    If the homeowner didn't own a gun?

    here's what I think would have happened.

    I think he would be dead. His house burglarized. His wife and child possibly dead.

    And the criminal would have gotten away,(as the one did two weeks ago on the same street).

    And it would have been happening to someone else later in the week.
    Thak Goodness he had a gun.

    Does that answer your question White?

    By the way, Tassel...you are hitting home run after home run with your well thought out posts.
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    Lets say he did not have a gun
    Lets say he went outside with a bat or a firepoker or whatever
    The kid comes atound a corner
    The homeowner swings ...hitting the kid in the head. More by accident then skill
    Kid is down...almost dead. Likely beain damaged.

    Is this any different?
    Same action...going outside to defend his home
    Same result.
    Just no gun

    Lets look at it another way

    One of the individuals involved decided to case the house then rob it. All on his own.
    One individual decided...on his own to scale a talll iron locked gate to get into the property
    One of the indviduals ignored the barking dog and continued toward the house
    One of the individuals planned on committing against a house full of sleeping people.

    One of the individuals was minding his own business in his own house.
    One of the individuals had no choice but to be brought into all of this ..not his own choosing
    One of the individuals was within his rights to defend himself ...on his property.
    One of the individuals didnot intend to committ a crime that night.
    One of the individuals was put, not.by his own doing, in a difficult position with difficult choices to male.

    Yet some want to place all the blame on the one mindi g his own business in his own home not committing a crime.
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    There are 1.3 million concealed weapon permits in this state now.

    The Miami paper says, there are 13% of the people wanting to change SYG.

    Get over protecting crooks from homeowners. It isn't like these people are getting shot where they live, they are getting shot where other's live.

    It won't change things in this state, either way.
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    Rep! Nice post and well thought out. Much better than my verbiage.
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    I'm sorry you are having such a hard time with this...I asked if you thought he would still venture outside UNARMED? I'll betcha $1000 that he doesn't.
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    How exactly would you determine who won the bet?

    I don't think any of us could prove whether he would have gone out or stayed in if he didn't have a gun. Last year, there was someone in our fenced-in backyard. It was around 9pm and dark. I did go out unarmed but he had already left, probably after I turned on the lights. That of course proves nothing about what this guy would have done if he didn't have a gun.
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    So now he cannot defend his property with ANYTHING?

    This has delved into boarder line lunacy.

    Oh god I might hurt that robber....I better not confront the guy breaking the law. I might be seen as a vigilant or gun nut by the someone who has never been in my situation.
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    So. According to you...
    The homeowners offense was going outside of his house armed. Right?
    The kids offense was....nothing.
    The homeowner is one who is responsible for what happening simply because he walked out side...on his own property to defend his famimy with a weapon....and any weapon would have made him the guilty party?
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    What? I never said that. I'm simply saying that he PROBABLY does NOT go outside without a gun and CONFRONT the person. And here's where it gets tricky for you and others...you claimed "what if the guy was armed?" So if you are truly thinking that in your head then there's no way you go outside being as paranoid as many of you seem to be if you are unarmed to begin with. Just stay inside with your loaded gun.
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    WHAT? Another bad comprehension job. I never said not to own a gun. In fact I have said quite the contrary. I simply asked if that guy still goes outside to confront someone, unarmed. The answer is no. Keep the gun, keep yourself inside with your gun. Otherwise, bad crap is going to happen.
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    Bad stuff? You mean to the career professional thief? The guy breaking into the house at 140 in the morning?
    Of course had he just sat inside and let the perp break I bad stuff might have happened too.
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    No. He was in the driveway. I have already stated that you can shoot to kill anyone that enters your home illegally. Fire away. But you can't go outside and shoot someone because you are paranoid in thinking that they are going to do that when IN REAL LIFE they have NOT. You aren't that smart dude.
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    Maybe if the thief had stayed inside his own home, he would be alive
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    No doubt. That's not the issue. The issue is using deadly force for trespassing or stealing change out of a car. You don't see an issue with that?
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    He didn't steal change out of the car. He already cased the house. He is awaiting trial for home burglary. A home invasion happened in the neighborhood just a few weeks earlier.

    But you want to act lime the homeowner had no right to be scared of his life or his famy from the man moving around his house...not fleeing...in the middle of the night.
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    So the guy jumped a closed fence with a motorized gate and was shot. What if the homeowner was sleeping in a tent in his yard? Or better yet, just in a sleeping bag in the yard? What is the definition of home?
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    He gets paid for this kind of stuff. A professional, he is. :ninja:
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    Would a machete count ?
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    The perp was warned to leave. Twice.
    First by the dog barking.
    Second by the lights coming on when the owner got up.
    The homeowner saw him reach for what he thought was a gun.
    Self-defense, within reasonable doubt.

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