:grin: Neisgator, No kicking thread here. I'm retired, living the good life right on the beautiful Mediterranean. Lincoln...first degree (aerospace/ aeronautical engineering) didn't cost me a thing (scholarship). Second one (architecture), wasn't bad back in the day. The cost of education today is absurd. The quality today.............. is outrageous. I can't believe how poorly trained most of the MBA's I've hired. It took me 4 years on the average to re-train them. Awful. The kids here in Europe just getting out of high school are light years ahead of U.S. high school graduates. Their math and science skills are far superior. Their language skills ? High school grads here speak and read at least 2 different languages fluently. Most speak and read 3 or 4 different languages.